Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[ShariusTC]

a little dissapointed that bahamut and phoenix still follow you arround, they shoud make these 2 station by default and only move to SMN postion if we use "heel" command

[Len]

Next is D-Phoenix. I like how it well change your spells for a fire aspect but Everlasting Flight is laughable and not needed. Maybe if it gave the summoner a 20s reraise effect, that if you somehow die while phoenix is summoned, you could just raise yourself once every 3 or 5 mins for balance.
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Agreed. There are players that already think it's unfair for Summoner to have Resurrection, so if they gave us a Reraise effect, there'd be riots in the streets. I honestly want to believe "Everlasting Flight" is just a placeholder effect for something else, because it's really out of place. More out of place than Titan-egi.

Although, Titan-Egi will serve to give us a Further Ruin stack during downtime/boss invulnerability where we can use his shield ability without having anything targeted.

[RissotoMissoto]

one mystery I want solved is, What is the "evergale" effect on garuda's auto attacks

[ShariusTC]

one mystery I want solved is, What is the "evergale" effect on garuda's auto attacks

sound like a DOT for me

[Len]

one mystery I want solved is, What is the "evergale" effect on garuda's auto attacks

This is Evergale, and it's only on Garuda's special ability Slipstream - @2:22

It's an extremely tiny ground effect caused by Garuda-egi's Slipstream. Would be better if it was wider (slightly smaller than Shadow Flare) with improved visibility.

[ShariusTC]

IIRC, that art of war spell get a same damage buff as tri-bind at the begin of stormblood, then they getting nerfed at the very first patch of 4.0 because devs think that SMN do too much of AOE damage, wonder they will back pedal again in 5.0

[Jandor]

Phoenix can only be summoned after Bahamut and lasts for 15 seconds.

This means that Egi's are almost removed from the game. Given that per 30 seconds, you'll be able to get a Bahamut out from DWT. Bahamut lasts 20 seconds, Phoenix then lasts 15 seconds. That's 45 seconds of Demi uptime. So... Basically you just wait long enough to spam out Egi Assault I/II and Enkindle and then get rid of your Egi.

Also, at this point, it might actually end up that you might simply end DWT immediately via Deathflare given that you no longer get bonus damage from it and can get it back again to get a Bahamut so quickly.

Phoenix trance puts Dreadwyrm Trance on cooldown, you can just about catch it on Larryzaurs SMN video.
So after you've finished with Phoenix you've got 45s of filler before you can start your demi cycle back up again.

Roughly 45s on, 45s off?

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Side note, anyone else disappointed it's phoenix? I'm kind of sick of the coil theme.

[Elenoe]

Roughly 45s on, 45s off?

they share CD, don't they? So it sounds more like

15s DWT -> 20s Bahamut -> 25s fillers -> 20s FBT+Phoenix -> 40s fillers

[Jandor]

they share CD, don't they? So it sounds more like

15s DWT -> 20s Bahamut -> 25s fillers -> 20s FBT+Phoenix -> 40s fillers

But it sounds like demis (Bahamut at least) are somewhat weaker now if "wyrmwaves" are on GCD (which may or may not be affected by FBT as it goes along with phoenix - not sure if FBT is 15s or 20s at that time).

15s DWT - 45s gap where you can slot 20s of Bahamut - 15s Phoenix - 45s gap where you can't slot 20s of Bahamut.

That 2nd gap might be a bit dull tbh. Don't mind me guys, just casting 18x ruins back to back.

[Gallus]

Phoenix lasts 20 seconds, not 15, there's an enhanced firebird trance trait that increases 5 seconds on your phoenix.