To healers upset with the 5.0 changes across all the various jobs

[Truen]

Na. I don't have all the answers, and I'll apologize for saying that it wasn't very nice. But, it really does seem like you have an agenda to defend the status-quo no matter how bad the changes are for those of us who hate them.

I won't go back and link the times you said, "just wait until they announce the changes" to point that out, but I could. Now they've been announced you're message is again "wait to try them out..." There's a theme here. Unlike those of us who just want to keep our jobs somewhat enjoyable, you seemed determined to defend developmental decisions a majority of players on these forums have serious concerns with...and you know what, enough with waiting. We were right about how bad these changes coming down the pipe to begin with, and it doesn't take an AST to foresee we're going to be right about how boring our jobs are going to be when they're forced upon us with 5.0.

So while I took my frustrations out on you a bit and it wasn't very nice, don't diminish the positions people have about how utterly disappointing and terrible we feel 5.0 is to jobs we've put A LOT of time into developing.

[Semirhage]

Yeah because saying to wait until you try it to complain is being an apologist.

Where have I heard this before........oh wait, this is exactly what we were told pre-Stormblood, and exactly what I predicted we'd hear after the embargo ended. Some of us know how this game functions. "Wait until you try it" is simply step two or three in the constantly backpedaling goalposts we've heard expansion after expansion. Next up is "now that you know it sucks, wait for adjustments", followed by "are you still complaining about this? You're so impatient! You won't get major changes until an expansion."
And around we go again. I *know* these aren't anything like changes I've been asking for on my main. So I'm switching. I'm not going to "wait and see". I know how my job plays.

[Urthdigger]

You can complain all you want but in the end the people that don't actively try to get upset about very small things are going to enjoy this.

AKA the people fine with casting a single cure II and then sitting around on their rears until the next tankbuster.

[Yuyuka3]

Blah blah blah you're wrong, not what I said or implied, you guys continue to lower my expectations, tired of correcting people when they miss the point of what I'm saying over and over again.



Oh what was that? Mrs. "You don't know your class because you're only on EX content"? Did I just see you try to say you never claimed to be hardcore while you boasted about how you do hard content? Along with complaining about "casual" players because they don't do hard content? You may not have said it but you sure act like it.

You will find that the vocal minority is always the most noticeable. If there are so many people that are upset about it, why are there *so few* actually complaining in the entire healer community? How many are actually on this forum? Take them and allll the people you know. What's what? 100 people? But let's make it 200 in case you're an incredibly popular person and another 500 for all the other people who are saying their friends are quitting it. let's add another 1,000 people on reddit to be generous and 1,000 on the other sites. That's a total of only 2,700. What was FF14s sub count at? Last I checked it was about 250K people. Let's say a sixth of them are healers since healers are on the lower end. That's about 41K. So if this was really so terrible that it ruins the Job. Why are only about a total of 2,700 people out of an estimated 41K people complaining about it?

Now then. If your tank is near death. Are you going to cast a slow heal over 21 seconds on him or are you going to use Cure 2? Obviously Cure 2. As I said. Cure 2 is your main single target healing skill when big damage gets dealt while Regen keeps them in a safe area. Otherwise known as a safety net. This is stuff you should figure out when you unlock Regen. And at the same time that is my response to why just because you have experience it doesn't mean that you know how to make a job. Particularly when you think Regen is not to make a safety net for yourself.

I'm not hardcore because while I do raid savage content, I'm not interesting in the clear race. Like, at all. I'm fine with clearing stuff before the Echo drops, what's more important to me is having fun and raiding with people I like. That actually places me at midcore at best, and I know quite a few casual raiders; but many casual raiders also try to better themselves constantly, like myself. I also don't have anything against casual players, as many of my friends fall into this category - just against casual players that pretty obviously have no clue about how their job even works, or how it compares to others, but talk as if they do. In other words, I got a huge issue with pretentious people thinking they know everything.

Most people don't care enough, most people don't attempt to clear anything above Ex primals, like my best friend. For those people, it doesn't matter if the job gets what it needs, as long as they can still clear what little they do in terms of raiding. Ex primals, 4-man content and 24-man content doesn't need balance; all jobs can do that comfortably. However, things tend to look vastly different as soon as you get into higher-tier content, which is what tends to get talked about in terms of balancing. Or they are like a certain SCH I know, who more or less refused to do any damage. However, those are not the players who are playing at a level at which balance matters, once again. So why should they care?

Also, man, that last paragraph made me laugh so hard my stomach ache returned. No, I indeed do NOT try to heal the tank up with a Cure II if he is close to dying. Benediction is a much better choice for that (if it wasn't used tactically already), or even Tetragrammaton. Cure II is the fallback when everything else failed already, and honestly, at that point in time it's likely too late already... especially considering that Cure II got 2.5 seconds cast time, 2.2 if you really invested into Spellspeed. That thing is not gonna save a dying tank, and I feel with the poor tank who got you as their healer in this situation. And with Afflatus Solace on the horizon, Cure II will fall off completely since Solace is strictly better, they could just delete that skill and nobody would care because now it's completely useless as soon as you have access to Solace. But why do I even try to tell you that...

[Jybril]

Why should I care about the opinions of one angry person that wants to act like they know everything about healers because they're "hardcore"? You can complain all you want but in the end the people that don't actively try to get upset about very small things are going to enjoy this. You are very likely the vocal minority. This is something you are going to need to deal with.

And I will repeat again. Your experience means nothing to me and it never will. because just because you have experience with a job doesn't mean you know anything about making a Job good.

You made your point. You aren't here to discuss anything with us, you're just picking and fighting at upset healers
and being flat out rude. You're okay with changes?
That's fine, but people are here on a forum, expressing themselves to other people in a civil manner, unlike you.
Just go if you don't care about anyone elses opinions. You're just being mean.

[Kyohei]

I'm not convinced by the changes they made. Even though they make it so more healing is required for Shadowbringer, half of the time or more we have to do contents from other expansions. Having actually played them and seeing the changes, anyone should be able to understand how they are going to impact and make the older content more boring. It happened before, it'll happen again. It's not hard and doesn't take psychic divination abilities to understand that. Simply a bit of logic and the ability to use past experiences/datas combined to new datas to understand a coming situation. It's not like it's the first expansion of the game after all.

However, if healers are really going to be as boring to play as i think they will, then i'll finally be able to cast sch aside. Allowing me to play with other jobs i like but tend to not use because sch took all the place :P .

[Truen]

Agreed Kyohei. At the end of this discussion just lies a fact: the SCH is going to be boring for quite a few people who will miss it's old play-style and dps kit. I've already moved to a DPS character and am going to just let the SCH rot until the day SE fixes it. Other than quitting the game, which I considered--there's no other real option available for us. The changes suck and there's no changing them.

[Deceptus]

Now then. If your tank is near death. Are you going to cast a slow heal over 21 seconds on him or are you going to use Cure 2? Obviously Cure 2.

Neither. I'm using Benediction.

You will find that the vocal minority is always the most noticeable. If there are so many people that are upset about it, why are there *so few* actually complaining in the entire healer community? How many are actually on this forum? Take them and allll the people you know. What's what? 100 people? But let's make it 200 in case you're an incredibly popular person and another 500 for all the other people who are saying their friends are quitting it. let's add another 1,000 people on reddit to be generous and 1,000 on the other sites. That's a total of only 2,700. What was FF14s sub count at? Last I checked it was about 250K people. Let's say a sixth of them are healers since healers are on the lower end. That's about 41K. So if this was really so terrible that it ruins the Job. Why are only about a total of 2,700 people out of an estimated 41K people complaining about it?

If you knew anything about statistics you'd know that 2700 people is more than a good sample size that can show a statistically significant correlation regarding data. But I really don't think you care about facts at this point.

[MOZZYSTAR]

I've already posted in another thread, but I'll be abstaining from playing my healer in dungeons/raids/trials coming 5.0. GOTTA GET THE MOST OF IT BEFORE THEN, THOUGH! /Shuffles deck of cards

[Campi]

Neither. I'm using Benediction.

but.. but... aaaaah
Benediction is a "Oh Shit" Button! You can't use it there!!!11!!
Safe Benediction the whole Fight, maybe you have to use it in the last few seconds!!1!
3min CD is way to long, to use it more often in a Dungeon!!
And what is Tetra? The Skill which safe the DPS, when he stands in AoE, and i heal him with CureII, Tetra, Regen and Divine Benison? (maybe MedicaII for a saftey overheal regen)

Better use the good old Cure II, Healers should use their GCDs for Healing, if you want to DPS, then play a DPS Job!

Also I'm crying about Stoneskin and Protect! q.q
These Skills made me feel like a WHM, now i feel like a naked Poormage