To healers upset with the 5.0 changes across all the various jobs

[Brandedblade]

That is the main trouble to me, since the beginning dev team think "for the new players" but common it's not cause you are new that you are incapable to learn mechanics....wtf.

Sometimes SE just looks like an overprotectiv mother "aww my poor baby player it's so complicated for uuuu to learn something aaawwww"

The most of us has always asked for more identity for each job than what they are doing.

If they continue on this path they can just let 3 dps 1 tank and 1 heal and it will save them some time and money.

The identity is still there though? AST still has the cards and stardust and even unique gimmicks like Lightspeed and Synastry. SCH still has its fairy, its focus on shielding and mitigation, and its aetherflow mechanics. WHM still has its raw power and diverse healing toolkit.

[Brandedblade]

Just because certain elements of the healers were simplified doesn't mean the healers have lost their identity.

[Vivian_Vex]

Just because certain elements of the healers were simplified doesn't mean the healers have lost their identity.

I'd just leave them be. They need to be upset about something and trying to talk them out of it just doesn't work.

[MintnHoney]

Yes, because, not only have you been the queen of understanding and patience, but you follow your own advice so particularly well.

Meanwhile, simplifying elements may not always take away an identity, but it certainly does, at the very least, alter it. Many don't like what the identities are turning into, and it's been a creeping problem for a long while now.

[Vivian_Vex]

Yes, because, not only have you been the queen of understanding and patience, but you follow your own advice so particularly well.

With how much screeching I had to deal with? The fact that I still post here alone is a testament to my patience. And you're thinking about the other guys who's understanding is lacking when I've had to repeat myself so many times to correct people that were so terribly off the mark. And second this post was made AFTER dealing with people. I've since given up on them. And despite what one may believe this is not a retroactive situation.

And Xtras. I assure you that there will not even be a dent in the healer population.

[MerlinCross]

Just because certain elements of the healers were simplified doesn't mean the healers have lost their identity.

The more that the classes are simplified the more they will feel similar. I'm actually fine with WHM right now but I'm looking at AST and SCH and going "Why would I want to play these healers. they don't look too different than me."

I'll use food for this; WHM is vanilla ice cream, while SCH and AST are a different flavor with some vanilla mixed in. With these changes, it looks like they're mixing in more vanilla. And once you get to a certain point, well it's not Pure Vanilla but I'm left wondering why I'm eating something with so much vanilla when I can just get the pure one.

As a causal player, I see no reason to try and learn the other 2 healing classes when SE seems to want to make healers just heal.

[IanR]

the problems with dev team are they don't play their own game and refuse to listen to those who really understand and love the game

[Semirhage]

And the fact that you seem to think that we should all treat this upcoming expansion like a blank slate shows that you've never paid attention to the things that have remained pretty consistent for six years now.

[Vivian_Vex]

And the fact that you seem to think that we should all treat this upcoming expansion like a blank slate shows that you've never paid attention to the things that have remained pretty consistent for six years now.

Blah blah blah you're wrong, not what I said or implied, you guys continue to lower my expectations, tired of correcting people when they miss the point of what I'm saying over and over again.

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F*uck the stupid post limit, I swear...



I'm by no means hardcore and never claimed I am. You are putting words in my mouth. I was hardcore in a previous MMO I played, but moved away from there since all it did was giving me depression.
Also, essentially not getting anything new is hardly a small thing to get upset about, especially if you were advocating to have more depth and utility added to WHM for years now, and also watching others getting buffed needlessly over and over repeatedly

Cont.

Oh what was that? Mrs. "You don't know your class because you're only on EX content"? Did I just see you try to say you never claimed to be hardcore while you boasted about how you do hard content? Along with complaining about "casual" players because they don't do hard content? You may not have said it but you sure act like it.

You will find that the vocal minority is always the most noticeable. If there are so many people that are upset about it, why are there *so few* actually complaining in the entire healer community? How many are actually on this forum? Take them and allll the people you know. What's what? 100 people? But let's make it 200 in case you're an incredibly popular person and another 500 for all the other people who are saying their friends are quitting it. let's add another 1,000 people on reddit to be generous and 1,000 on the other sites. That's a total of only 2,700. What was FF14s sub count at? Last I checked it was about 250K people. Let's say a sixth of them are healers since healers are on the lower end. That's about 41K. So if this was really so terrible that it ruins the Job. Why are only about a total of 2,700 people out of an estimated 41K people complaining about it?


Now then. If your tank is near death. Are you going to cast a slow heal over 21 seconds on him or are you going to use Cure 2? Obviously Cure 2. As I said. Cure 2 is your main single target healing skill when big damage gets dealt while Regen keeps them in a safe area. Otherwise known as a safety net. This is stuff you should figure out when you unlock Regen. And at the same time that is my response to why just because you have experience it doesn't mean that you know how to make a job. Particularly when you think Regen is not to make a safety net for yourself.

[Yuyuka3]

Blah blah blah you're wrong, not what I said or implied, you guys continue to lower my expectations, tired of correcting people when they miss the point of what I'm saying over and over again.



Oh what was that? Mrs. "You don't know your class because you're only on EX content"? Did I just see you try to say you never claimed to be hardcore while you boasted about how you do hard content? Along with complaining about "casual" players because they don't do hard content? You may not have said it but you sure act like it.

You will find that the vocal minority is always the most noticeable. If there are so many people that are upset about it, why are there *so few* actually complaining in the entire healer community? How many are actually on this forum? Take them and allll the people you know. What's what? 100 people? But let's make it 200 in case you're an incredibly popular person and another 500 for all the other people who are saying their friends are quitting it. let's add another 1,000 people on reddit to be generous and 1,000 on the other sites. That's a total of only 2,700. What was FF14s sub count at? Last I checked it was about 250K people. Let's say a sixth of them are healers since healers are on the lower end. That's about 41K. So if this was really so terrible that it ruins the Job. Why are only about a total of 2,700 people out of an estimated 41K people complaining about it?

Now then. If your tank is near death. Are you going to cast a slow heal over 21 seconds on him or are you going to use Cure 2? Obviously Cure 2. As I said. Cure 2 is your main single target healing skill when big damage gets dealt while Regen keeps them in a safe area. Otherwise known as a safety net. This is stuff you should figure out when you unlock Regen. And at the same time that is my response to why just because you have experience it doesn't mean that you know how to make a job. Particularly when you think Regen is not to make a safety net for yourself.

I'm not hardcore because while I do raid savage content, I'm not interesting in the clear race. Like, at all. I'm fine with clearing stuff before the Echo drops, what's more important to me is having fun and raiding with people I like. That actually places me at midcore at best, and I know quite a few casual raiders; but many casual raiders also try to better themselves constantly, like myself. I also don't have anything against casual players, as many of my friends fall into this category - just against casual players that pretty obviously have no clue about how their job even works, or how it compares to others, but talk as if they do. In other words, I got a huge issue with pretentious people thinking they know everything.

Most people don't care enough, most people don't attempt to clear anything above Ex primals, like my best friend. For those people, it doesn't matter if the job gets what it needs, as long as they can still clear what little they do in terms of raiding. Ex primals, 4-man content and 24-man content doesn't need balance; all jobs can do that comfortably. However, things tend to look vastly different as soon as you get into higher-tier content, which is what tends to get talked about in terms of balancing. Or they are like a certain SCH I know, who more or less refused to do any damage. However, those are not the players who are playing at a level at which balance matters, once again. So why should they care?

Also, man, that last paragraph made me laugh so hard my stomach ache returned. No, I indeed do NOT try to heal the tank up with a Cure II if he is close to dying. Benediction is a much better choice for that (if it wasn't used tactically already), or even Tetragrammaton. Cure II is the fallback when everything else failed already, and honestly, at that point in time it's likely too late already... especially considering that Cure II got 2.5 seconds cast time, 2.2 if you really invested into Spellspeed. That thing is not gonna save a dying tank, and I feel with the poor tank who got you as their healer in this situation. And with Afflatus Solace on the horizon, Cure II will fall off completely since Solace is strictly better, they could just delete that skill and nobody would care because now it's completely useless as soon as you have access to Solace. But why do I even try to tell you that...