To healers upset with the 5.0 changes across all the various jobs

[Nujana]

It makes sense. The development team is trying to strike a balance between accessibility and job balance. The simplifying of the sch's dps rotation and pet management, or the ast's card revamp, while painful for alot of veteran players who understand these mechanics and have mastered them, ultimately make the classes more accessible to newer players of the game.

Well I sure hope the newer players enjoy the great gameplay experience of mainly pressing 2 buttons for leveling up their healer through the story quests (and low lvl dungeons, with how little healing is required there).
If that was how the healers leveled when I started in 2.0 I would have stayed far away from them...

[Brandedblade]

Well I sure hope the newer players enjoy the great gameplay experience of mainly pressing 2 buttons for leveling up their healer through the story quests (and low lvl dungeons, with how little healing is required there).
If that was how the healers leveled when I started in 2.0 I would have stayed far away from them...

Oh no, I have a pair of filler buttons I have to press between heals, how scary. Most classes are gonna inevitably spam one or two buttons the most out of their toolkit. Whether it's the first step of their combo chain or their filler skill in their rotation, or in the case of a healer, a maintenance dot and a nuke that they can stop spamming at anytime to patch someone up.

[Loki]

It makes sense. The development team is trying to strike a balance between accessibility and job balance. The simplifying of the sch's dps rotation and pet management, or the ast's card revamp, while painful for alot of veteran players who understand these mechanics and have mastered them, ultimately make the classes more accessible to newer players of the game.

That is the main trouble to me, since the beginning dev team think "for the new players" but common it's not cause you are new that you are incapable to learn mechanics....wtf.

Sometimes SE just looks like an overprotectiv mother "aww my poor baby player it's so complicated for uuuu to learn something aaawwww"

The most of us has always asked for more identity for each job than what they are doing.

If they continue on this path they can just let 3 dps 1 tank and 1 heal and it will save them some time and money.

[Brandedblade]

That is the main trouble to me, since the beginning dev team think "for the new players" but common it's not cause you are new that you are incapable to learn mechanics....wtf.

Sometimes SE just looks like an overprotectiv mother "aww my poor baby player it's so complicated for uuuu to learn something aaawwww"

The most of us has always asked for more identity for each job than what they are doing.

If they continue on this path they can just let 3 dps 1 tank and 1 heal and it will save them some time and money.

The identity is still there though? AST still has the cards and stardust and even unique gimmicks like Lightspeed and Synastry. SCH still has its fairy, its focus on shielding and mitigation, and its aetherflow mechanics. WHM still has its raw power and diverse healing toolkit.

[Brandedblade]

Just because certain elements of the healers were simplified doesn't mean the healers have lost their identity.

[Vivian_Vex]

Just because certain elements of the healers were simplified doesn't mean the healers have lost their identity.

I'd just leave them be. They need to be upset about something and trying to talk them out of it just doesn't work.

[MintnHoney]

Yes, because, not only have you been the queen of understanding and patience, but you follow your own advice so particularly well.

Meanwhile, simplifying elements may not always take away an identity, but it certainly does, at the very least, alter it. Many don't like what the identities are turning into, and it's been a creeping problem for a long while now.

[Xtrasweettea]

Well I sure hope the newer players enjoy the great gameplay experience of mainly pressing 2 buttons for leveling up their healer through the story quests (and low lvl dungeons, with how little healing is required there).
If that was how the healers leveled when I started in 2.0 I would have stayed far away from them...

Healers may have to do the same thing that some of us tank players did back when SB came out: solo, quest, and MSQ as a DPS, do dungeons as your main.

For those who don't remember, tank accessories past ilevel 270 had zero strength to them. Tank accessories didn't get any strength added until SB endgame and tombstone gear. Meaning if tanks wanted any STR on the right side the answer were to either meld them to current level tank accessories or use HW slaying accessories (which I did).

This is was on top of SE changing Tank damage formula back to STR instead of the hybrid STR and VIT formula they used.

Now imaging going up 10 levels and you right side never improves. Killing took for what felt like twice as long as on a Tank than a DPS.

The solo tank experience at SB start is not 1:1 for Healers for ShB, I know that, but there is at least some weight to what I am saying based on my experience and the experience of other tanks.

I will be repeating the same thing this round for Shb: solo on RDM and do group dungeons as a Tank (or healer, since it looks like there might be a shortage based on the outrage).

[Vivian_Vex]

Yes, because, not only have you been the queen of understanding and patience, but you follow your own advice so particularly well.

With how much screeching I had to deal with? The fact that I still post here alone is a testament to my patience. And you're thinking about the other guys who's understanding is lacking when I've had to repeat myself so many times to correct people that were so terribly off the mark. And second this post was made AFTER dealing with people. I've since given up on them. And despite what one may believe this is not a retroactive situation.

And Xtras. I assure you that there will not even be a dent in the healer population.

[Yuyuka3]

With how much screeching I had to deal with? The fact that I still post here alone is a testament to my patience. And you're thinking about the other guys who's understanding is lacking when I've had to repeat myself so many times to correct people that were so terribly off the mark. And second this post was made AFTER dealing with people. I've since given up on them. And despite what one may believe this is not a retroactive situation.

And Xtras. I assure you that there will not even be a dent in the healer population.

You are free to leave. Goodbye, Felicia.
With how much you get wrong, and how little you help in the discussion, you could just as well not be here anyway. All you do is talking down on people who are, for the most part, playing there respective jobs for up to 6 years now; that's a lot of experience there. And then you come and tell them that all of this experience means nothing because we have only seen tooltips? You do realize how much one can glean from them already, do you? Likely not...
Also, most of the people up in arms currently, as I said, have been around for a very long time, and know exactly how SE goes about new expansions. They did nothing to alleviate the fears of the players last time, so why shouldn't we be affraid?

I remember many, many of the people who argued against my dissatisfaction with the changes they did for 4.0; most of them are now on my side. Should tell you everything about what a fiasco it was, right? But no, you are the only one with even a single clue of how the game will be in 5.0 (are you a psychic or something?), so of course we are all just idiots whining for nothing.

Btw, many healers I know, me included, consider playing something else. 'No dent in healer population', huh?