Thread: Samurai 5.0 Changes

Originally Posted by Arkdra

Hagakure was get 3 sen and burn it and didn't really lead to any interesting decision making, other than paying enough attention to the hagakure cd to know when you need to hold on to your sen or not.

Wow. Sorry but it's kinda clear that you don't have much knowledge about this topic. Haga timings literally determine how optimally you play the class. Besides the opener, which we have many, Hagakure leads to numerous situations where decision making is key to develop your rotation. "Should I burn Haga with only 2 sen and have Higanbana inside trick attack?" "Meikyo is coming off CD with Hagakure, should I Yukikaze first in this next cicle so I can perform a non-Yuki Meikyo, or just Midare if it's close to a phase transition?" Your entire rotation is built upon these three skills' timings and how they interact together, alongside how fast you build Sen. Removing Hagakure leaves only the LVL 60 rotation behind! You always midare, no questions asked. No complexity, no thinking required, no alignment, no nothing. Just boredom.

Originally Posted by Arkdra

It also consistently leads to a feel bad situation for me because I am at 2500sks and there is always a point in my rotation where hagakure comes off cooldown 1 second too slow so I either clip the gcd, midare and then rebuild which stalls hagakure for 15 seconds, or waste the sen and it makes me sad every single time. (the answer 100% of the time is waste the sen btw, so it's not actually an interesting decision).

I see so much of this going around. If you can't figure out how to align your skills in such way that Haga will come off CD exactly when you need, that's a problem in your rotation and not the skill itself. There are plenty of ways to prevent this from happening (change your opener, move your Hinganbana usage, perform non-Yuki Meikyo or vice-versa to control your GCD pace and do Yukikaze-Higanbanas when feasible to achieve the same). Honestly all I can see here is "I don't know how to implement this skill in my rotation, therefore it's bad."

Originally Posted by Arkdra

Removing it will significantly help out all those mediocre sams who never used it to begin with.

That's something I can agree with. It will significantly help people who can't be bothered to learn how to properly play their class to perform better. The irony I see here is that those "mediocre" samurais couldn't care less if Haga went away or not since they honestly couldn't care less about their performance at all.

Originally Posted by Arkdra

Also Hagakure is an incredibly bad skill from the perspective of being understandable. Literally 0 new players will ever look at hagakure and understand the value. Hagakure only makes sense once you've mathed out the potency value of 1 kenki, and then the average potency of your gcd, and then also understand the opportunity cost of using said gcd.

Again, is it a bad skill because you assume most players don't get it? I don't know about you, but the first time I glanced over it I could already say that insta 60 kenki was a good trade-off. There are also tons of information available out there, you don't need to be a math wizard to realize that, just look it up and see what other people have to say about it. They will literally do all the math for you.

At the end of the day, SE simply deemed necessary to reward lazyness and bad play instead of trying to actually teach their player base how to play. Not only Samurai, but other classes entire toolkit are being severely dumbed down as the game progresses (I mean, did you check the SCH thread?), their rotations are becoming blander than ever. There's only so much you can simplify a rotation before it get's boring and repetitive.

But tbh I haven't played the new Samurai and I could actually like it, who knows. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong about it but I highly doubt it.