Thread: Samurai 5.0 Changes

Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

yuki giving you 15 kenki instead of 10
Also I meant more as in before samurai got haga.

Hrm... =-=
Not sure if it convinces me enough... I mean, I see your point. At 52 you'll be able to Kaiten every Midare, if positionals are done right...

Still Yuki will need to happen at least 8 times between each Ikishoten to generate as much satisfaction as Hagakure does now Shinten wise...
As Hagakure was not only making 10 extra points at its best, but was happening 20 seconds faster... (I mean, even with 2 Sen is still a better Kenki per second than Ikishoten).
At best it will feel better than what it is now from lvl 52 to 67... Kenki wise...

It still feels sad... :/

Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

60s line-up

Many jobs got that property now precisely to have some synergy I believe.
In SAM's case, its taking advantage of other's buff rather than buffing others.
On that regard I always liked the SAM.

Originally Posted by Lilyth

Also, I appreciate the respect and time you took to listen to a opinion contrary to yours. If it's worth anything, I really hope we both have fun with the way Samurai plays at 5.0, even if I still have a bad feeling about it.

This actually makes me somewhat emotional lol. I'll separate this from everything else I have to say because it makes me like, disproportionately happy. It's really kind of you to be as considerate to say that, when it feels like people just want to hate you for this kind of opinion lol. I really appreciate the warm words!

That being said, I see your points. It's really just a matter of those things not really being entirely cohesive, intuitive, or fun to do. I totally, totally understand the appeal, don't get me wrong. It's nice to be rewarded for solving quasi-complex rotation riddles. It's nice to be rewarded for having a keen understanding of what needs to be micro-managed to support other aspects of your rotation.

For some, that provides a negativity-free experience with the ability. Like you said, it's hard to find any downside. You feel rewarded, it offers flexibility, and it offers variety and depth. For some, Hagakure's positive characteristics are outweighed by the negative experience of having to find work-arounds to accommodate it, in what would otherwise be a relatively smooth rotation.

And I think it's unfortunate, because that comes off as not wanting complexity, or being against critical thought. When really, it's just that I don't think this is the kind that makes sense, at least in the current design philosophy of "Core rotation>Fillers>Finisher>Repeat". And like Shurrikan said, I think if you have no real care for the aesthetic, or damage numbers, or impact, and your only real desire is the mechanical aspect of a Job, I think there's really no argument to be made. At the point you feel like depth, complexity, and mechanics are all that matters, Hagakure is a clear win/win. I just think there's more to Jobs than what they provide mechanically. Because at that point, why even have particle effects and damage numbers or any of the minutiae?

seems like sam is now a dumbed down midare bot

Originally Posted by Kaitoo

seems like sam is now a dumbed down midare bot

What is wrong with that? It's not like any of the classes are really all that difficult to play.

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

But it's the same potency as Kaiten-Higanbana and Tsubame only repeats the previously executed Iaijutsu. Why would you ever overwrite your DoT with the same potency DoT?

I'm probably missing something obvious since it's late but what's the advantage over double Midare or Goken?

Its probably useful in situations where there are two big adds in raids where the whole minute will tick for both adds, outside of that not much really

If you're not a wood-tier Samurai, you're meditating in downtime situations.

Shoha is free damage to reward you for meditating, which already was free damage you were getting.

If you're complaining it's 'boring for a level 80' just pretend the double iaijutsu is your level 80 and call it a day. Except Shoha is actually not going to be useful as a level 78 ability, because it's for the downtime that happens in trials and raids--which you only get at level 80.

It's free damage, I thought we liked free damage in the dps role.