Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

[Faxmonkey]

To bad the increasement in rdps through the divination changes isnt going to close the gap between whm pdps and asts rdps. Bit less clunkyness to the card system through sleeve draw changes is welcome. Buffs to the healing spells are solid, CU untouched is lame, Lightspeed at 90sec cd is pretty much the same as before, might even be a nerf if you would have made use of your four dignitys within that 120sec window. Tho one must say divination and sleeve draw are now out of line with their cds. So for every other~ divination you now not only have a shorter window but also less available cards to match your seals, potentially leaving you with a tier 2 divination much more likely. Gravity and helios at 1.5sec castime allows extra windows for weaving and increases ast dps (only in dungeons) by a large largin, alongside granting you a bit more movability. Celestial Opposition still fairly useless in nocturnal, while being pretty solid now in diurnal (To bad with the whm overflow ast is pretty much doomed to stay in nocturnal for every content where it actually matters). Furthermore, no changes to the card effects and how they work also still let you remain screwed with bad party composition (Wasnt a goal of them to remove the need for certain compositions?).

Since WHM is still way ahead ast in terms of dps, and their healing kit still remaining to be better than asts kit, alongside the fact that ast has to put a lot of effort into the cards, i can easily say that WHM/SCH combo is the absolute goto composition. If your raid group swaps out a WHM or SCH for a AST, then you are giving your raid group with a huge deficit to deal with.

Why would you ever be in nocturnal with the shitty shields it gives ? The 5.05 changes are better than i hoped for, but at the end the card system still sucks. A lot of drama for a 4,5,6% dmg buff you could just put on one ability with a 120 or 150s cd instead of being a fun and engaging subsystem that gives AST some flair. Takes 7 ability slot that could be filled with healing or damage abilities like SCH & WHM have.

[Sanghelios]

Why would you ever be in nocturnal with the shitty shields it gives ?

Because, as i said, in 90% of any serious content you are tied to an WHM co-healer.

[Allegor]

I honestly prefer nocturnal over diurnal, but that's just personal preference - nerfing it further while buffing diurnal only throws nocturnal sect to the we-dont-want-you corner along with Selene.

[Crushnight]

AST problems we still have

1. CU is still far weaker than sacred soil in every way
2. our rDPS contribution will still be too low(if we were just 100-200 rdps i would think it would be fine but we are looking at far more than that still) compared to Whm
3. Nocturnal still makes AB cost 1k mp while having weaker heals to mp ratio
4. Diurnal shields can still handle most encounters(we will see what savage brings)
5. Horoscope still doesn't go off if you proc so gotta make sure to remember even if its chaos.(minor)

Some problems have been alleviated but core ones still remain Nocturnal is feeling more like a hindrance than ever especially with sch getting nice QoL stuff.

[Seraphor]

I honestly prefer nocturnal over diurnal, but that's just personal preference - nerfing it further while buffing diurnal only throws nocturnal sect to the we-dont-want-you corner along with Selene.

Nocturnal hasn't been nerfed. It's still been buffed, just not enough, and nowhere near as much as Diurnal.
Noct Opposition has a stronger shield and Noct Intersection has a stronger regen. Everything else is pretty much the same or at least the same as Diurnal.

[Almostward]

Well the patch notes are out and these buffs are nothing but disappointing. Noct still sucks. Ast still sucks.....yep....rework is great

[Lumy]

Every time I come to this forum post I get depressed..... I starting playing this game for AST..... Where is my buffer class..?! . I just wanna cry at this point.

[Mesarthim]

It's better but at the same time something doesn't feel right with this shadowbringer AST. I tried another run of abania but I'm... still probably not going to come back to it after maxing it. I might at least try leveling it now.

They didn't go far enough with fixing the job, as noted how collective unconscious wasn't even touched.

[Melorie]

I'm glad that AST got buffed but tbh the fix I want is pretty much a new-expac-only fix, since they decided to change the entire card system that really didn't need change.

[BahamutxD]

It's surprising how you keep reading here on all forums (JP/EN/FR/DE) aswell as in other fansites that people just want the old card system back.

Vast majority don't even contemplate fixes or changes for the actual card system but a whole rollback to the old one.