Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Mortex

But the bright side is they buffed noc Astro pretty decent and nerfed diu so whm/ast looks good

I'm trying to see how Nocturnal Sect has been "buffed," but I'm not seeing it. I'm only seeing that we need to cast even more spells to get the same efficacy that we had in Stormblood, which doesn't feel like a buff to me.
If the buff is that we'll get to have Celestial Intersection give us a HoT, then I feel like they're kinda missing the point of what a buff vs. a nerf is.

I'm honestly surprised Celestial Opposition isnt an aoe version of Celestial Intersection. That would probably make it more interesting as an ogcd heal on a decent cooldown. As far as healing goes I like the theme they're going for with focusing on one sect and dipping into the other on occasion as needed.

Originally Posted by Heilstos

AST nerfs

You are right. When the sects lost their buff to healing that hurts their already average healing. Even on spells like Aspected Helios where the hot is stronger. The old spell did a potency of 240 with the sect buff. Now it does a potency of 200 and no sect buff. When you add up the stats. All the healing from Ast will be weaker and the mp cost seems to be a bit higher. When you are sitting over 10k mp. A 480 vs a 400 for the 10k cap. I am pretty sure when you do the math. The MP cost went up. Ast also did not get any mp gaining skill like both whm and sch has. The removal of Ewer will hurt their mp.

All and All I think the Ast is in a bad spot and will be the weakest healer as right now. Yes I know numbers can change and they might change. Yet if they do not. They are not going be strong at the start of 5.0.

Combustion should spread to nearby targets every 6 seconds. (Or a Healer bane role action be added)

Malefic, Gravity, and Benefic-line spells should have a time Dilation effect to harmful / healing Astrologian effects on the target.

Celestial Opposition should detonate Hots and Dots of targets in range.

[Opinion] Unearthly Star should be target-able by the Astrologian. In addition to the 3 stages of growth effecting the star's potency, Malefic adds its own potency per cast to the star, up to a maximum based on the Star's current size.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

And someone once told me they really liked shocking themselves with a prank-pen. He was undoubtedly the expert in his own tastes in this regard: he'd do it almost constantly every day. Doesn't mean I have to like it, even if I've only been shocked a few times and therefore do not understand the basis of his attraction. If someone seems uninformed about something, subject to a temporary optimistic bias, or just appears to have tastes very different than my own, it doesn't matter one bit if he enjoys something. It doesn't mean I will.

The problem here is that you assume there's enough depth to the toolkit that a skilled player cannot readily imagine how it would play with the given changes. But, there isn't.

I can easily simulate exactly how SAM would play, for instance, by playing at low enough ping to single-weave after Iajutsu, adding a further 2% Attack Speed's worth of Skill Speed, being (redundantly) careful to keep Jinpu up, not using Hagakure, pausing for a GCD once per minute after a Midare, and imagining the two extra Shinten presses per minute that would come from Ikishoten, and imagining that Guren will hit a little harder and won't AoE (Senei). That's literally the extent of the changes. The gameplay is already fully replicable. Unless recast timers change, only the theorycrafting is subject to change at this point. And it's the gameplay, not the numbers (beyond the gameplay their breakpoints create), that make the feel of a job. We have it. You can get on now and play Samurai the way it'd be in Shadowbringers. If you've enough SkS gear you can play Monk the way it'd work in Shadowbringers. And you can mostly play SCH exactly the way it'd work in Shadowbringers; the main differences will simply be in what you can no longer use.

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts. Your example fails btw cause you're using something NOONE would agree with. Like it or not he's PLAYED it. So that's the only bit that counts in my book. I'm not even saying it'll be good but one you can't say it'll feel bad when you have nothing to go off of. You didn't play it, and you don't know ALL the details on said changes. Even if you're correct... they aren't changing it BEFORE 5.0 comes out anyway. It's a week away. Your best bet is a change AFTER the fact. But that means you're still goign to be waiting until after 5.0 for anything to change and I can tell you right now with TP being gone there's not alot to revert back too. Not unless you want them to change the background systems BACK to stormblood and at that point what was the point?

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts...Even if you're correct...

At that point, could we stop using this stupid excuse that people can't use information to make feedback on things they do understand? Because I bet, if there's more issues with 6.0, this exact same excuse will come up again and again and again...

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts.

If it helps, you can think of it not as the feedback to the actual gameplay of ShB after it releases, but rather as the feedback to the announced changed for ShB which were provided in form of the live letter and media tour information.

I'm likely to completely stop playing Astrologian because the card mechanics and the variety of buffs was overwhelmingly my main reason to play the class, especially as my main. I love giving buffs and having my interaction with the party be focused on the right tools at the right time helping all of us succeed--by making it a DPS coin flip, it completely destroys the purpose.

Honestly, if these changes come out as pitched, this may lead me to stop playing XIV all together until the card system is readdressed. :c