Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

That only makes me more convinced we should wait on the changes before we scream cause he's PLAYED it and he's liking the changes. But I like to base my opinions on logic rather than emotions when I domn't have the facts. So using logic I'mma wait til I get my hands on it before I judge.

And someone once told me they really liked shocking themselves with a prank-pen. He was undoubtedly the expert in his own tastes in this regard: he'd do it almost constantly every day. Doesn't mean I have to like it, even if I've only been shocked a few times and therefore do not understand the basis of his attraction. If someone seems uninformed about something, subject to a temporary optimistic bias, or just appears to have tastes very different than my own, it doesn't matter one bit if he enjoys something. It doesn't mean I will.

The problem here is that you assume there's enough depth to the toolkit that a skilled player cannot readily imagine how it would play with the given changes. But, there isn't.

I can easily simulate exactly how SAM would play, for instance, by playing at low enough ping to single-weave after Iajutsu, adding a further 2% Attack Speed's worth of Skill Speed, being (redundantly) careful to keep Jinpu up, not using Hagakure, pausing for a GCD once per minute after a Midare, and imagining the two extra Shinten presses per minute that would come from Ikishoten, and imagining that Guren will hit a little harder and won't AoE (Senei). That's literally the extent of the changes. The gameplay is already fully replicable. Unless recast timers change, only the theorycrafting is subject to change at this point. And it's the gameplay, not the numbers (beyond the gameplay their breakpoints create), that make the feel of a job. We have it. You can get on now and play Samurai the way it'd be in Shadowbringers. If you've enough SkS gear you can play Monk the way it'd work in Shadowbringers. And you can mostly play SCH exactly the way it'd work in Shadowbringers; the main differences will simply be in what you can no longer use.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

And someone once told me they really liked shocking themselves with a prank-pen. He was undoubtedly the expert in his own tastes in this regard: he'd do it almost constantly every day. Doesn't mean I have to like it, even if I've only been shocked a few times and therefore do not understand the basis of his attraction. If someone seems uninformed about something, subject to a temporary optimistic bias, or just appears to have tastes very different than my own, it doesn't matter one bit if he enjoys something. It doesn't mean I will.

The problem here is that you assume there's enough depth to the toolkit that a skilled player cannot readily imagine how it would play with the given changes. But, there isn't.

I can easily simulate exactly how SAM would play, for instance, by playing at low enough ping to single-weave after Iajutsu, adding a further 2% Attack Speed's worth of Skill Speed, being (redundantly) careful to keep Jinpu up, not using Hagakure, pausing for a GCD once per minute after a Midare, and imagining the two extra Shinten presses per minute that would come from Ikishoten, and imagining that Guren will hit a little harder and won't AoE (Senei). That's literally the extent of the changes. The gameplay is already fully replicable. Unless recast timers change, only the theorycrafting is subject to change at this point. And it's the gameplay, not the numbers (beyond the gameplay their breakpoints create), that make the feel of a job. We have it. You can get on now and play Samurai the way it'd be in Shadowbringers. If you've enough SkS gear you can play Monk the way it'd work in Shadowbringers. And you can mostly play SCH exactly the way it'd work in Shadowbringers; the main differences will simply be in what you can no longer use.

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts. Your example fails btw cause you're using something NOONE would agree with. Like it or not he's PLAYED it. So that's the only bit that counts in my book. I'm not even saying it'll be good but one you can't say it'll feel bad when you have nothing to go off of. You didn't play it, and you don't know ALL the details on said changes. Even if you're correct... they aren't changing it BEFORE 5.0 comes out anyway. It's a week away. Your best bet is a change AFTER the fact. But that means you're still goign to be waiting until after 5.0 for anything to change and I can tell you right now with TP being gone there's not alot to revert back too. Not unless you want them to change the background systems BACK to stormblood and at that point what was the point?

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts...Even if you're correct...

At that point, could we stop using this stupid excuse that people can't use information to make feedback on things they do understand? Because I bet, if there's more issues with 6.0, this exact same excuse will come up again and again and again...

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts.

If it helps, you can think of it not as the feedback to the actual gameplay of ShB after it releases, but rather as the feedback to the announced changed for ShB which were provided in form of the live letter and media tour information.