Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by KanameYuuki

The best part is that they did this for the raiders since you "fished for balance anyway" and even they are like:

"no, lol"



Less than 12%, GG Square Enix.

So, is this new system even better than before? a lucky AST could keep having a AoE damage buff every min (either with Arrow / Balance / Spear)and then add lucky draws from Sleeve Draw, otherwise even they should be pissed.

A lot forget the fact that balance was that good because "useless cards" like ewer, spire and bole existed to balance (pun intended) itself and not just that but to complement the nuance RR system.

Not just give us back our cards, give us back our buff management from Time Dilatation and Celestial Opposition.

Sure it was powerful before but like every single developer likes to say, you shouldn't nerf, instead buff the others around it.

Even better than your example is the amount of clears for E4S. With WHM having 326, SCH 336 and AST just 22. Guess thats balanced. I can already see 5.1 or 5.2 being an absurd emergency patch that buffs ASTs card potency back to 20% so that people start picking it up again. Then, around 5.4 they will announce that there is no new healer in 6.0 because the current ones need to balanced. :/

Originally Posted by Sanghelios

Even better than your example is the amount of clears for E4S. With WHM having 326, SCH 336 and AST just 22. Guess thats balanced. I can already see 5.1 or 5.2 being an absurd emergency patch that buffs ASTs card potency back to 20% so that people start picking it up again. Then, around 5.4 they will announce that there is no new healer in 6.0 because the current ones need to balanced. :/

It certainly seems like 5.X will repeat 3.X for healers >_>

Ast 3.0 undertuned ->3.08 healing buffed -> 3.2 cards buffed to be reasonably balanced to other healers (currently the most balanced we ever got as healers) -> 3.4 unasked overbuffs that break the balance literally -> 4.X we not adding new healer because we need to balance existing 3.

History is repeating just hope it stops at a sweet spot this time (it won't but here is hoping).

Originally Posted by Allegor

Wait....they used the same excuse twice?!

Yes they have, it is why a lot of longer running healers are disgruntled at how the so called 'balance' has turned out and the fact it feels we are still far from any semblance of balance, which will probably overbuff ast again >_> unfortunately.

The longer this imbalance goes on the more likely they overtune ast again which no one should want because 1.They failed balance thus for a 3rd expansion in a row expect no new hlr which is just no, 2. Whm will get the shaft again because for the life of them the cannot sort Nocturnal to a balanced state with Diurnal and sch, 3. New expansion will stupify ast kit again either build on with very powerful abilities or another rework to who knows how useful or undertuned it is.

Originally Posted by LalaRu

You just did proof that AST can be used to clear savage.

Not the best healer job for make the so-called "log runs"? Maybe not. But who cares.

And, aside the personal crusades against AST, wasn't AST into the group that made world first clear of resurrection? Go tell them they are wrong.

Wat? what are you even talking about.

Have I ever, even once, said that AST cannot clear any kind of content?

My beef is with the rework and playstyle, which I don't like and for the number of clears either a lot are agreeing with me not finding it fun anymore or doesn't even has the numbers it was supposed to bring for them, I don't even talk about potencies besides the clear need for that 4x CO buff.

Take MNK for example, it has always been great on its numbers, so much that for ShB the devs out of fear of balances didn't change it that much, yet it was consistently the least played job by a large margin, now with the Form Shift change + RoE (and to a bigger degree that RoF is too strong, I'm surprised the damage + wasn't smaller) people are finally using it since it is no longer a nightmare to lose GL and a drag to use RoF, so how you play is just as important as how many numbers it has.

Originally Posted by LalaRu

You just did proof that AST can be used to clear savage.

Not the best healer job for make the so-called "log runs"? Maybe not. But who cares.

And, aside the personal crusades against AST, wasn't AST into the group that made world first clear of resurrection? Go tell them they are wrong.

No one is arguing Astro can't clear content. They're saying it's widely unpopular. Look no further than Ninja or Samurai. Both are perfectly viable yet they have staggeringly low representation in Savage. That kinda says SE did a poor job making the jobs fun.

I just want to add that not every raider was fishing only for balance (even in speedkill).
I did every content in this game, progress and speedkill, and AST sure was aiming for balance, but he needed to deal with what he got, and do his best with their cards depending on several factors.
Every fight was different because of the randomness of the draw, and I was not bored to do the same fight again and again because of it.
For me, this impredictibility was what separated AST from every other job in this game and it need to come back with the old cards system.