Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

I would have to disagree. There actually were justifications to use the cards...

Connor literaly says "little actual justification", not "no justification". Let's not tweak the debate.

Although I am curious to see how the new system works, I'll admit I'll miss Royal Road. But I'm getting so tired of the argument that says "we used Bole Ewer often" and such.
YES, WE DID. We all did. But not as much as you think.
To make a Bole use efficient (understand sacrificing DPS output, so it means avoiding deaths), to start with you had to draw it (one chance out of 6, every 30 seconds, then if you REALLY wanted it you could re-draw for one chance out of 5, every 30 seconds too). The probability that you'd draw a Bole and use it well is very small. Because there is a list of more efficient tools to do damage mitigation (Tank CDs, DPS Addle / Feint / Apocastasis / Palissade, Healer shields and mitigation). So I'm tired of reading "but mah bole!" when we used it like 0.01% of the time, when the planets aligned to make it efficient. You might have a heroic story of that one time you saved a group with a Bole, but that's not what the game should be built upon.

Spire, sometimes to regen TP in AoE dps, but then again tactician, Motivation and Goad are more efficient. Then add my rambling about probabilities. And they deleted TP now.
Same goes with Ewer (change to Lucid Dreaming, Refresh, Mana Shift)
Those 3 cards were Re-drawed, Minor Arcana'ed or Royal Roaded 98% of the time.

Arrow was tricky because some jobs like it, some others don't. Its RNG factor and short duration make it hard to add up for a noticeable DPS output gain. Still, it's better than nothing we'll agree on that.
Balance and Spear were the ones we wanted.
I'm not saying the current cards are bad, but let's not be hypocrite or keep a narrow-vision and say we used them so much when all we ever really wanted was Royal Road Balance / Spear.


Now I do feel the new system is a bit lackluster. Having each pair of seal having a different effect would have been nice (DMG, Crit and DH up for instance), even if it's just flavour because it ends up in DPS up anyway. Then I wish we would have had a system like Divination that would spread card effects based on active Seals... It would have been a nice compensation for losing Royal Road.


Remember that cards where changed in the early 4.0X patches, so there is still hope there.

I am now fully convinced the dev team has absolutely no idea what the hell they are doing...

Originally Posted by ChewieFlakes

I am now fully convinced the dev team has absolutely no idea what the hell they are doing...

Not sure about the dev team, but I do blame their spokesman: Yoshi. This is the most anti-healer patch and expansion I've ever seen across any MMO I've played for the last decade. They've taken away our more interesting class options and turned us into overtuned heal-bots replaceable by their "trust" system.

People did the card math in the balance discord and new cards are a straight nerf and yes you will still fish hard for the opener 9% dmg boost and there you have a 75 % chance to get what you need.and don’t forget there are only single target cards now that means even a inconsistent Astro will do more raid dmg increase now the he will do in shb. But the bright side is they buffed noc Astro pretty decent and nerfed diu so whm/ast looks good

Originally Posted by Mortex

But the bright side is they buffed noc Astro pretty decent and nerfed diu so whm/ast looks good

I'm trying to see how Nocturnal Sect has been "buffed," but I'm not seeing it. I'm only seeing that we need to cast even more spells to get the same efficacy that we had in Stormblood, which doesn't feel like a buff to me.
If the buff is that we'll get to have Celestial Intersection give us a HoT, then I feel like they're kinda missing the point of what a buff vs. a nerf is.

I'm honestly surprised Celestial Opposition isnt an aoe version of Celestial Intersection. That would probably make it more interesting as an ogcd heal on a decent cooldown. As far as healing goes I like the theme they're going for with focusing on one sect and dipping into the other on occasion as needed.

Combustion should spread to nearby targets every 6 seconds. (Or a Healer bane role action be added)

Malefic, Gravity, and Benefic-line spells should have a time Dilation effect to harmful / healing Astrologian effects on the target.

Celestial Opposition should detonate Hots and Dots of targets in range.

[Opinion] Unearthly Star should be target-able by the Astrologian. In addition to the 3 stages of growth effecting the star's potency, Malefic adds its own potency per cast to the star, up to a maximum based on the Star's current size.

I'm likely to completely stop playing Astrologian because the card mechanics and the variety of buffs was overwhelmingly my main reason to play the class, especially as my main. I love giving buffs and having my interaction with the party be focused on the right tools at the right time helping all of us succeed--by making it a DPS coin flip, it completely destroys the purpose.

Honestly, if these changes come out as pitched, this may lead me to stop playing XIV all together until the card system is readdressed. :c