Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

And someone once told me they really liked shocking themselves with a prank-pen. He was undoubtedly the expert in his own tastes in this regard: he'd do it almost constantly every day. Doesn't mean I have to like it, even if I've only been shocked a few times and therefore do not understand the basis of his attraction. If someone seems uninformed about something, subject to a temporary optimistic bias, or just appears to have tastes very different than my own, it doesn't matter one bit if he enjoys something. It doesn't mean I will.

The problem here is that you assume there's enough depth to the toolkit that a skilled player cannot readily imagine how it would play with the given changes. But, there isn't.

I can easily simulate exactly how SAM would play, for instance, by playing at low enough ping to single-weave after Iajutsu, adding a further 2% Attack Speed's worth of Skill Speed, being (redundantly) careful to keep Jinpu up, not using Hagakure, pausing for a GCD once per minute after a Midare, and imagining the two extra Shinten presses per minute that would come from Ikishoten, and imagining that Guren will hit a little harder and won't AoE (Senei). That's literally the extent of the changes. The gameplay is already fully replicable. Unless recast timers change, only the theorycrafting is subject to change at this point. And it's the gameplay, not the numbers (beyond the gameplay their breakpoints create), that make the feel of a job. We have it. You can get on now and play Samurai the way it'd be in Shadowbringers. If you've enough SkS gear you can play Monk the way it'd work in Shadowbringers. And you can mostly play SCH exactly the way it'd work in Shadowbringers; the main differences will simply be in what you can no longer use.

You know why I say wait? Cause unless you played it and can provide 100% unbroken feedback then complaining now is useless as you don't have all the facts. Your example fails btw cause you're using something NOONE would agree with. Like it or not he's PLAYED it. So that's the only bit that counts in my book. I'm not even saying it'll be good but one you can't say it'll feel bad when you have nothing to go off of. You didn't play it, and you don't know ALL the details on said changes. Even if you're correct... they aren't changing it BEFORE 5.0 comes out anyway. It's a week away. Your best bet is a change AFTER the fact. But that means you're still goign to be waiting until after 5.0 for anything to change and I can tell you right now with TP being gone there's not alot to revert back too. Not unless you want them to change the background systems BACK to stormblood and at that point what was the point?

People forget that arrow is still the strongest dps card from Astro. People did the math but that doesn’t mean that every one likes arrow. But like I said still stronger then balance.

Here the math. Expanded balance is straight up 5% extra dps.
Expanded arrow is 5% reduced GCDs and auto-attacks, which translates to 1/0.95 = 5.3% extra dps in regards to GCDs and auto-attacks only.
Expanded spear is 5% extra crit rate. Assuming the worst case scenario at 364 base crit, we're comparing (1*0.95+1.4*0.05) to (1*0.9 + 1.4*0.1), which is 1.96% increased damage on average. However, spear only lasts 20 seconds. So to compare them, spear (1.96%*20 = 39.2) is worth less than a third of a balance (5%*30 = 150). Again, this is only if everyone in your party has no crit bonuses. With higher crit, the better spear becomes.

And arrow gets further ahead when enhanced with 2,6 % more dmg. But it’s always the same problem it’s make you faster so you may clip it with ability windows or buff timing etc.

Originally Posted by Mortex

And arrow gets further ahead when enhanced with 2,6 % more dmg. But it’s always the same problem it’s make you faster so you may clip it with ability windows or buff timing etc.

I commend your analysis but the issue isn't the mathematics but the application, a large proportion of people which play FF14 do not have as stable ping to double weave consistently let alone deal with Expanded arrows. Although it may appear that increasing your skill speed/spell speed increases your dps to a greater extent, will clipping your gcds do an inverse effect which is why balance is much more favoured. As there is no risk.
Keep in mind that giving healers spell speed is dangerous as mana economy is fairly flimsy and in prog content where res is required can this also be unfavourable.

But i could agree skill speed meta is comming into play with classes like DRG outputing significant dps gains with these builds

The only problem being, that Arrow would be "too good" when combined with the likes of DRK or NIN this coming expansion, and they don't want classes to have synergy with other classes (except Dancer).

The Astrologian card changes are pretty disappointing compared to the current system we have now. There's no real decision making going into the cards, all you'll do is throw it on the most damaging DPS depending on the role while fishing for seals. What's the fun in that compared to how you currently need to make on-the-fly choices regarding the card you're given. Every encounter was always different and it felt so much more engaging when you'd be forced to make use of the cards you would normally not use. Bole was wonderful for pug groups who are less experienced, Ewer was great if you needed to cast multiple raises or your co-healer had died, Spire had very little use beyond Royal Road, but that didn't warrant a complete gutting of what made the job so unique. With the changes going forward, it brings us, unfortunately, closer to a White Mage clone.

After watching many videos, my personal feeling is that only WHM looks like it feels good. AST and SCH (my favorite healer since I began playing in 2014) look awful. They've destroyed both jobs in terms of the variety and fun factor they have today.