Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

I did indeed. I've seen a lot of people who do believe those things word their opinions similarly, so I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification, and I also apologise for what I now know is an ovely aggressive response from me.

No worries, I was not very clear in my wording so I'm just as blame worthy. Besides that given some of the other responses, yours was measured in comparison. Anyways here's hoping for some more info during E3 PLL, at the bare minimum a "yes we are looking at all the feedback" from the dev team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9udCnUboGE

Based on this video with mr happy showing dungeon footage with all three of the healers, watching that segment of astro in that dungeon was painful. The regen nerf on CU, hardly any use of CO(well cause its not a weaker helios in di sect and a weaker aspected helios in noct sect), the fact divination is on a 3 min cd so you'll almost always have it after the opener, that they have no other way to get mp other than lucid or lightspeed and whoever was playing wasn't doing the most spectacular job of showing it off. So I'll admit that video didn't show the best that it probably was at lvl 74 but still, it's not inspiring.

Originally Posted by Maltothoris

mr happy

Bringing up Mr. Happy, he has gone on record during a group discussion (found on his channel) saying that he believes the AST changes are great (apparently except for Divination, which he believes we need more interaction with). I feel that our hurdle is only that much higher if influencers are agreeable to the changes.

I wonder, has anyone also submitted suggestions in game via the Leave a Suggestion option in the menu? I feel like civil "bombardment" is required if they're ever going to take a step back, re-examine the situation, and at least release a statement.

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Bringing up Mr. Happy, he has gone on record during a group discussion (found on his channel) saying that he believes the AST changes are great

mr. happy literally believes that AST only play Balance cards. His input is uninformed and useless.

Originally Posted by EriShvakh

mr. happy literally believes that AST only play Balance cards. His input is uninformed and useless.

But he's an influencer nevertheless, and as long as he's making Yoshi feel good about his choices, since he's viewed as a voice of the English community, we get to suffer for his hubris.

Originally Posted by EriShvakh

mr. happy literally believes that AST only play Balance cards. His input is uninformed and useless.

Judging from how few cards outside of Balance I've seen just from roulettes alone the past few days, he may be right in that a majority of the playerbase only uses that card. Or it's confirmation bias, no way to tell.

Originally Posted by MintnHoney

Bringing up Mr. Happy, he has gone on record during a group discussion (found on his channel) saying that he believes the AST changes are great (apparently except for Divination, which he believes we need more interaction with). I feel that our hurdle is only that much higher if influencers are agreeable to the changes.

I wonder, has anyone also submitted suggestions in game via the Leave a Suggestion option in the menu? I feel like civil "bombardment" is required if they're ever going to take a step back, re-examine the situation, and at least release a statement.

That only makes me more convinced we should wait on the changes before we scream cause he's PLAYED it and he's liking the changes. But I like to base my opinions on logic rather than emotions when I domn't have the facts. So using logic I'mma wait til I get my hands on it before I judge.

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

That only makes me more convinced we should wait on the changes before we scream cause he's PLAYED it and he's liking the changes. But I like to base my opinions on logic rather than emotions when I domn't have the facts. So using logic I'mma wait til I get my hands on it before I judge.

I know he's got all to 70 - however he main heals as a Scholar, and had no issue saying they needed skills returned to their rotation. Not drawing balance was never a "low low" for me as he put it - for me playing a healer is about the heals, first and foremost, and generally everyone can get through content even if that run i only drew 100% spires, but it was fun adding that layer on top. Scholar and White mage were fine alternatives for those who didn't like RNG.

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

That only makes me more convinced we should wait on the changes before we scream cause he's PLAYED it and he's liking the changes. But I like to base my opinions on logic rather than emotions when I domn't have the facts. So using logic I'mma wait til I get my hands on it before I judge.

And someone once told me they really liked shocking themselves with a prank-pen. He was undoubtedly the expert in his own tastes in this regard: he'd do it almost constantly every day. Doesn't mean I have to like it, even if I've only been shocked a few times and therefore do not understand the basis of his attraction. If someone seems uninformed about something, subject to a temporary optimistic bias, or just appears to have tastes very different than my own, it doesn't matter one bit if he enjoys something. It doesn't mean I will.

The problem here is that you assume there's enough depth to the toolkit that a skilled player cannot readily imagine how it would play with the given changes. But, there isn't.

I can easily simulate exactly how SAM would play, for instance, by playing at low enough ping to single-weave after Iajutsu, adding a further 2% Attack Speed's worth of Skill Speed, being (redundantly) careful to keep Jinpu up, not using Hagakure, pausing for a GCD once per minute after a Midare, and imagining the two extra Shinten presses per minute that would come from Ikishoten, and imagining that Guren will hit a little harder and won't AoE (Senei). That's literally the extent of the changes. The gameplay is already fully replicable. Unless recast timers change, only the theorycrafting is subject to change at this point. And it's the gameplay, not the numbers (beyond the gameplay their breakpoints create), that make the feel of a job. We have it. You can get on now and play Samurai the way it'd be in Shadowbringers. If you've enough SkS gear you can play Monk the way it'd work in Shadowbringers. And you can mostly play SCH exactly the way it'd work in Shadowbringers; the main differences will simply be in what you can no longer use.