Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by SkyEdge1

However that small portion has a big say in how classes are developed and balanced, that is my point.

And, as I've been saying for the last few pages, that's the whole problem. People are hyperfocusing on a meta that will never touch ~95% of the content in FFXIV, and then removing the unique character of classes that make running ~95% of the content as that class fun. Maybe Savage will be fun for the raiding community, and it does sound like it'll be a fun streamline for the people who're just interested in optimising their runs for FFLogs, but what about everyone who doesn't raid? What about the players who just want to do the regular Duty Finder stuff, and have now found that the main feature of their favourite class has been gutted, for no reason other than some ~1% of the community wants to do content a few minutes faster?

My biggest take away from this situation is that I would hate to run any kind of content with the AST I keep reading (not just here ofc), because apparently no balance = no card and just discarded them since it is the only good card there ever was, that they would rather see a bigger number on the corner of the screen go up for a few seconds than having a better and more fun / engaging (I know fun is subjective) minute to minute game play.

So baffled with the outcry of RNG when the class is literally based on it, it is like if someone would complain they hate using jumps on DRG or Muras on NIN, I just can't even, that's what made AST special, no encounter was the same because of that. Balance felt great when you finally got it, because when every card is rewarding no card really is.

Lots of comparisons to an Oracle but NU AST isn't even that, it is basically the post office, doing classification if your package (Card) is for a melee or range address and when you get the right stamps (seals) you can deliver a bonus package faster.

AST is what made me start playing this game and what keeps making me want to play it and while they didn't ruin it they completely gutted its cards and time buffs. But whatever, not like SE will change anything, just look at MNK: "We heard you loud and clear MNK players the class isn't fun to play" *proceeds to keep RoF / TK and adds yet another skill that slows down GCD*

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

for no reason other than some ~1% of the community wants to do content a few minutes faster?

I agree with you that its imbalanced, but I think the main reason they balance base on those high end players is because it matter at that point. No one parses dungeons seriously, very few players optimizes in dungeons, or care for optimal rotations or compositions, I mean hell half the player base is still wondering if healers should even use their DPS skills. So to them, "as long as its playable" is probably the most thought they give to any class when considering casual content. At that point any adjustments they make just wont matter as much because very few people will utilize it to any real degree. Whereas balance made to cater to high end raids has a clear measurement both from developers and from the community via the aforementioned FFlogs and parsing.

Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

You dont play a healer, soo.. what 'do' you play? Tank? or one of the dps's?

But what if your a bard? You know how Bloodletter gets to 'skip' its cooldown right? Its based off your Dots 'critting'.


Its more 'consistent' because it 'cant' fail. it requires 'no' thinking. It requires 'no' card system at all. They can replace the entire thing with just 2 buttons. 1 being a insta-cased, 3-charge skill with a 10-15s cooldown that gives the new 'balance' buff, and a second skill thats on the 180s cooldown that gives the 'group' buff to everyone.

I play tank and DPS, and though tank has more percieved responsibility, I do find that on DPS I'm more focused on trying not to eff up

I play bard as well, and for ShB it no longer procs off crits, which brings me to my earlier point that we will not be sure of any synergy or lack thereof because we have such a small sample preview.

Though I feel for the loss in complexity for you, isn't it now more about how you use your existing kit to consistently keep the highest damaging party members buffed? Or vice versa take the risk at buffing those mot doing enough to try and level out the outgoing DPS? More so linking up Lord and Lady (I think that's the one) to align with tighter windows and get the most out of the cards while dealing with healing mechanics or checks? Whereas before it was more or less hoping that you would be able to try and contribute within those windows cuz if RNG screwed you, you kinda sat there with "hey at least Lord can go out "

Ever had this as a baby? They were preparing you for Shadowbringers Astrologian all along! Although i hope they simplify this i can't deal with FOUR seals

Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

The 1 single thing that set AST apart from being 'just another whm', has been reduced down to 2 skills the WHM doesn't have. Thats the 1 and only difference between them now. Excluding the fact that whm's heals are still, and will always be, more powerful.

I see, while I don't really know how to feel one way or the other, since again I dont play healer. I can definitely appreciate the loss of a real identity for AST. Hopefully though, since the Healers section of the community is in a pretty big uproar, they will be quick to address it within that 4 to 6 week period where adjustments are done early. Given that healer balance was their big driving force this expac one can expect a lot of pressure on the development team to respond to concerns.

i just want my cards back, i never just played Balance, i always played every card, if im not royal road it, im saving a card for emergency TP/MP, turning cards to a straight dps attack or heal. the only time i cared for a balance is when the boss is being pulled and everyone is going for that burst of damage because everything either has a dps check that wipes the group, or people are trying to push a phase.