Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

Again, though, I think the problem is people focusing too much on rDPS for Savage over literally every other type of content; the large majority of things to do in this game aren't meta-optimised Savage raids, and these problems of meta obsession to the exclusion of non-meta choices aren't a problem for the majority of players, because it never stops people running dungeon roulette, or treasure maps, or FATEs, or hunts, or 24-man raids, or Ex trials, or even the regular 8-man raids. I don't think everything should be balanced around something a minority of people play, especially not when it results in removing mechanics that give a job a strong sense of identity.

This.
Most of the AST utility shines in semi-casual content where players can die multiple times during single fight and a well placed Uwer can save you from solohealing for the next couple minutes.

Allow me to preface this by saying I am NOT a healer, so this is coming from an outside perspective. If the goal of ShB when it refers to healers was to increase the healing requirements and allow a more balanced (heh) approach between time spent DPS and time spent healing, doesnt the new card system make sense? If you as a healer are forced to heal more often with your GCD then having a system in place to be able to continually contribute to rDPS passively make the most sense? It may not be quite as exciting but it is a HELL of a lot more consistent. Before was it not just either YAY I got a Balance OR well no Balance guess I'll use this instead??

Originally Posted by SkyEdge1

I am NOT a healer [...] It may not be quite as exciting

This attitude is the problem. You want the class to be less fun to play because you only care about how it increases your own DPS in Savage content.

Fun is subjective though, what you consider to be boring other players may see as a better playstyle. More than that, we dont know what the healing requirements will be like in anything other than a media build on a lvl 73 dungeon. Much less what Savage will be like and Ultimate after so my point is simply that, if you need to spend more time actively healing, is having a consistent easily accessible passive rDPS increase actually bad? Again these are outside perspectives but a large reason that Bard was so popular during SB and MCH wasn't was in part due to its performance in raiding and its perceived importance in the speed kill meta. So unfortunate as it may be, what matters to end game players does matter to casual players and non raiders as well.

Originally Posted by SkyEdge1

Fun is subjective though, what you consider to be boring other players may see as a better playstyle.

It'd only be more fun for some because its much easier, and those who were intimidated by the class previously - will now not need to worry about making less effective decisions, at the cost of even the slightly more experienced Astro players. Also with this new system, the Astro's have less time to heal; there's THREE charges of redraw, and every card must be played, as well as positioning yourself, and possibly others for that lame AoE 6% damage buff, which is supposedly the pay off at the end.

How would you feel if they removed Dragoons jumps, and replaced the damage with a simple DoT attack, because i complained that my miss-timed jumps were killing me. DoTs would mean plenty more rDPS, but bye bye class fantasy.

Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

But what if your a bard? You know how Bloodletter gets to 'skip' its cooldown right? Its based off your Dots 'critting'. Your dots critting are based off your crit chance. How much 'more' damage are you going to do using Bloodletter 4 times vs only 2? How about Repertoire? Same thing, its based of your dot critting, which is based off Crit chane. Does Balance help that? No.. Spear does. A Balance cycled for the 150% boost effect to use on a Spear helps even more.

While I play BRD or MNK with a fellow AST, Spear will always feel way more empowering and much more noticeable than Balance would ever be, or playing Tank with a Bole and enemies doing no damage, they just didn't ruin fun for AST players, they also did it for all the other players who loved getting buffed by them, MNK just lost IR so Spear would have been their new substitution.

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

The meta honestly doesn't touch non-Savage content at all, in the slightest.

So I wanna be clear, I'm not insisting that Savage and speed kills are a 1:1 parallel to the game as a whole. What I meant is that the perception some classes get are heavily influenced by what is popular in Savage and above. Of course there will be non meta classes being played, savage clears and speed kills account for a very small portion of the community. However that small portion has a big say in how classes are developed and balanced, that is my point. A lot of the balance changes to classes come directly from their performance in savage as that is an easy number to track what classes are performing well and which ones arent. How they approach this information and make changes accordingly varies, from quick responses like with WAR, or slow changes like SAM/BLM OR worse off with a blind eye RIP MCH/WHM.
I'm not saying your concerns are invalid, merely that they are untested as we have no idea how the raiding community will tinker with the new playstyles.