Thread: Astrologian 5.0 Discussion

Do the cards need to be balanced against each-other though? I think an RNG based mechanic is fine having mediocre, decent and amazing outcomes. The job gives you tools to try and mitigate what the RNG gives you, having a goal when you use them isn't a bad thing.

That said, they seem to have something in mind with the whole reduction in synergy thing, which I suspect heavily influenced the AST redesign. (which is a weird thing to do when introducing dancer, but whatever)

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

1. This is a bizarre comment in general; I've never had a PLD stop at half when they could easily stop at 1/10th, since you don't need more than that for your rotations due to its regen speed, and it regens fast enough out of combat for the next wall-to-wall pull that you're not going to be wanting for your initiate. Also, when used appropriately (i.e. at half TP), Goad and Tactician make a tonne of difference to AoE pulls, as does Spire. If your issue is that Spire still isn't effective enough for your personal taste, surely the solution is to buff it, not to remove it entirely.

2. Duration Bole is useful in boss fights generally, not just for tank busters. Potency Bole is ideally deployed, not for tank busters, but for large pulls, since it gives you more leeway to throw out a few Gravity casts after Lightspeed. I've done a few min-IL runs that simply wouldn't've been possible without a potency-buffed Bole. I still get a rush of excitement when Bole shows up on my draw, even if I end up burning it or Crowning it.

3. I've never held onto a Ewer "just in case" personally, but there have been tonnes of times--especially in the recent Ivalice raids--where my cohealer simply hasn't healed at all, and I've relied on Lightspeed, Lucid, and been struggling for mana regardless. I have two friends who main BLM whose staggered Mana Shifts have helped, but I've absolutely been praying for a Ewer card over a Balance because it'd've been more situationally useful at that time. Balance is useless when everyone is too (almost-) dead to make use of it.

4. My favourite class to throw an Arrow on is MNK. Greased Lightning who?

A more general comment - just because the buffs aren't game-changing doesn't mean they're not useful. I've always felt the difference when I use my cards, or when I have a card used on me.

As a monk main I have to ask.. WHY ARROW??? I can count only ONCE where I was happy for arrow.... and that one time I was messing with my opener. The only cards I wanted or needed as a monk was ofcourse... The Balance, sometimes Spire... and that's sometimes. But not anymore since no more TP and spear. Out of those only the damage up ones I wanted. why do astros give monks ARROW? I can see nin, but monk? Really? I feel like thats a troll or punishment.

Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

And yet.. every single card, 'except' for Balance, was removed.

So if Balance is unbalanced, why make it the 1 and 'only' card we have? just double-sided now instead of single-faced.

*apparently it wouldnt let me make a new post, so adding to this one*



If no one cared about, or wanted any of the other cards at all, then why even have Astrologist in the game?

Just buy 99 of these: Braised_Pipira and your all set!

Instant Astrologist. +8% damage that lasts for 30 minutes, and with the added benefits of not disappearing when you die. Instant cast time, You didnt have to wait for them to get a tripple set of Signs... and frees up a extra place for another DPS in the group!

Because that is exactly what i feel Astrologist are now. A walking Food buff.

To be fair.. you as an astro were nothing BUT a buff job anyway? Astros were never good until those buffs were fixed. See 3.0 and 4.0 for proof.

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

Because I got given the Arrow while playing MNK and thought it was fun. Funnily enough, getting the arrow as NIN was pretty frustrating, since I kept clipping my GCDs and mudra.

Different honey buns I guess. I hated it cause I'd clip my OGCDs and I'd run out of TP faster which makes monk useless when you can't attack cause your weapon skills are eatting more TP then normal cause you've been sped up. I didn't think it was fun, I'm shocked you did... learn something new everyday. Thanks for that bit of feedback.

Originally Posted by Insertcoins

Different honey buns I guess. I hated it cause I'd clip my OGCDs and I'd run out of TP faster which makes monk useless when you can't attack cause your weapon skills are eatting more TP then normal cause you've been sped up. I didn't think it was fun, I'm shocked you did... learn something new everyday. Thanks for that bit of feedback.

I... don't think I've ever had a TP issue with MNK that I haven't had with any other DPS. Generally things die before TP ever becomes an issue, and Invigorate is a pretty good backup if a fight is stretching on for too long; TP has only really been an issue with AoEs when the other DPS isn't using Goad/Tactician. Most MNKs I've met in dungeons are pretty chill with an Arrow, especially sub-60. I know I do dungeon runs with other MNKs who enjoy it, and I myself like getting a well-timed Arrow during my RoF phase, or after I use a TK to make up for losing a stack of Greased Lightning.

Then again, I don't really take MNK into Savage content, either; I prefer SAM for that, if I'm going to play DPS. I keep my non-AST/PLD/SAM classes to the regular dungeons, 24-man raids, and Ex primals because there's less focus on optimisation and I can take it easy.

Originally Posted by Suishouhime

I... don't think I've ever had a TP issue with MNK that I haven't had with any other DPS. Generally things die before TP ever becomes an issue, and Invigorate is a pretty good backup if a fight is stretching on for too long; TP has only really been an issue with AoEs when the other DPS isn't using Goad/Tactician. Most MNKs I've met in dungeons are pretty chill with an Arrow, especially sub-60. I know I do dungeon runs with other MNKs who enjoy it, and I myself like getting a well-timed Arrow during my RoF phase, or after I use a TK to make up for losing a stack of Greased Lightning.

Then again, I don't really take MNK into Savage content, either; I prefer SAM for that, if I'm going to play DPS. I keep my non-AST/PLD/SAM classes to the regular dungeons, 24-man raids, and Ex primals because there's less focus on optimisation and I can take it easy.

I wish I had your exp. Every dungeon I go in as monk I'm out of TP, mainly cause I aoe and I'm either paired with range/mage so no goad... OR my fav. I got another monk or sam who refuses to use goad. So I'm dead in in the TP water cause I'm the only one aoeing while I see a full TP bar on the other monk or sam sitting there doing single target. And I'm just like " Seriously.... now I can't attack cause you're being lazy and bad T.T " And then I get hit with the arrow card and I want to die lol.