It's official, SCH/WHM have two DPS spells from level 6-80

[Vivian_Vex]

What are you even talking about? Are there super secret abilities coming that you are expecting? SCH lost 2 dots, one of which was a spammable aoe, a ogcd mana return dps spell that could be weaved, an aoe dot spreader, a ground target aoe, and now aether flow has 0 interation with dps in any way. I went from meaningful decisions to a 21111 rotation on a 30 sec repeat solo leveling. It is this way for 74, thats seventy four, levels and does not get better. You are replying as if dungeons and raids are the only content a healing class had to do. Now I will absolutely not be taking my healer through the MSQ and most likely not leveling it at all. WHM lost an aoe dot and nerfed holy (under 7-8 mobs) and gained 1 dps ability on a 90 second rotation. Every healer class now has 2-3buttons that are just spammed. No complexity, nothing interesting at all.

Saying "wait and see" as if we cant already see the entirety of the kit in front of us is pretty silly. And frankly, even if they "wanted healers to actually heal" all they had to do was change encounter design to increase damage output. Neutering the dps kit was NOT NEEDED in any way to achieve that goal. So we sacrificed compelling solo and group gameplay in favor of a glowy pet.

Seeing and actually playing are two drastically different things. As I said, they had no experience with it. With actually PLAYING it.

Sebazy: There is nothing disrespectful about it and it is true. But even if that is true it seems like everyone is acting like the world is falling down around them with this update.

[fantasticm]

Assize lost it's damage.

You sure about that? It still did damage in some of the videos I watch today. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it, though.

[Zweiss]

Can’t wait to watch healer become the new main role in need for DF come 5.0.

[Anselmet]

Just toss away tank stance, square. LET US ALL BLEED TO JUSTIFY OUR NEW HEALING CAPABILITIES!!

[Raees]

Seeing and actually playing are two drastically different things. As I said, they had no experience with it. With actually PLAYING it.

Sebazy: There is nothing disrespectful about it and it is true. But even if that is true it seems like everyone is acting like the world is falling down around them with this update.

Im listening to the people who did play it and showed the "rotation" in the countless videos released. I played vanilla wow and vanilla ffxiv, I dont need to "wait and see" to know what a 2 button rotation is like.

[Brandedblade]

Assize lost it\\'s damage. Afflatus requires a blood lily (90s of battle) AoE doesn\\'t matter unless you\\'re in dungeons.

Assize still has its damage potency in the media tour footage and tooltips.

[Sebazy]

You sure about that? It still did damage in some of the videos I watch today. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it, though.

This

Assize still seems to have around 400 potency of damage in the media build.

[Fyce]

This should make the discussion easier.

WHM DPS skills


SCH DPS skills

Edit: Did I forgot Bio? I'm actually not sure if it stays or not. Corruption Mastery I is learned at 26... same level as Bio II. So I guess it goes Bio->Bio II-> Biolyisis? I might be wrong but I don't have a proper source to check SCH's traits.

AST DPS skills


Edit: Also, if anyone is interested, here's the theorical potency that each job should be able to output on a 3mn fight against a target dummy (take it with a grain of salt, I didn't really double check my maths):
WHM: 26 460
SCH: 23 940
AST: 19 980
This doesn't take any buff in consideration (so, no Presence of Mind, no AST cards, and no Chain Stratagem). Only the skills listed above. Also, considering a 2.5s GCD.

Edit2: See, I told you I didn't check my math. I accounted 3 GCDs for using Afflatus Misery on WHM, when actually it's 4, as the skill itself is on the GCD. So that's 3 blue Lilies, plus the Blood Lily itself. Making Afflatus Misery actually a DPS loss for the WHM. But the upside of the healing and the MP saved is just too good to pass.

[Sebazy]

It's worth noting that Afflatus Misery isn't really a free 900 Potency every minute and a half in a target dummy situation. It's more a case of it giving back the potency you lost using 3 GCDs on the Afflatus heals instead of nuking.

In a straight up dummy fight, WHM will obviously win, but movement requirements will eat into that very quickly.. AST's smaller potency per nuke quickly becomes insignificant when you realise that they can straight up carry on nuking even through prolonged movement mechanics such as Pantokrator in O11S.

[Kayokane]

Dev1: Lets rework WHM lilies to give them a bunch of abilities they can use to weave their small pool of oGCDs with.


Dev2: Let's also add a big attack tied to it so they don't feel like their losing their dps because of it!


WHM: How 'bout we just make the SCH heal because they lost all their DPS abilities LUL


SCH: My Everything is gone T^T



AST: All my cards are half Balances