The new Mogstation items represent a painful period for Koreans, please read.

[AnnaRosa]

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I really love FFXIV, and I love the Dev's and I will always defend their decisions. But I really wanted to educate people on this matter, since it's a very serious one. I was expecting the Dev's to release some sort of letter about this situation since it caused such an uproar on the Korean servers. But since that didn't happen I decided to make a post about it.
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You can read more in depth about this issue on these two links:

https://twitter.com/cheche_dotharl/s...79381900779520

https://saerumii.tumblr.com/post/185...er-saying-that
Again, I just want to educate others on the topic at hand, not protest the clothes. My main motivation for posting this was to see if a Dev would comment on the intentions of Square Enix with releasing this uniform.

Edit 2: From the user enlakertuh on tumblr:

"This might not matter much to you and that’s fair. But please understand why so many people are upset. And also please understand that these issues aren’t just Korean. Comfort women and WW2-era atrocities at the hands of the Japanese were a multi-country wide phenomenon that I beg more people to look into. I’m not asking you to hate Japan. I am however asking you to engage with a potentially unsavory part of it’s history for a fuller understanding of this issue. Because it’s not ‘just an outfit’. "

Link to the post: (please look since it has credible sources about the history of the matter) https://saerumii.tumblr.com/post/185...nt-controversy

Am so sorry I did not remember thank you so much for sharing that information.

The bad things that happened in the past history I tend to forget and give more importance to the present and the future, if there is a way you can make it differently from the past than do so.

Because right now is them representing you tomorrow is you that will represent the next generations so you have to use that power to change what you can while you can in your society for better.

[Yandere-chan]

I don't believe these clothes are an actual military uniform, let alone the military uniform used by those who supposedly did these acts. Saying they are akin to a nazi outfit is a pretty large leap when that is considered. That would be like saying an officer's garb with different emblems is equivalent to a nazi's when all that really makes a nazi's uniform, a nazi uniform, is the nazi emblems put upon a pretty common style for military officer garments.

To make it worse, this is a style of clothing worn just in general at the time by Japan too, prior to the described incident and after as well. To cast shade on it is honestly a bit bias and even racist to the history of the Japanese. I'm sure there were plenty of people who never did any harm to Koreans who wore such clothing, in-fact, the vast majority likely didn't.

This thread is just a bad take imo. And for those who are trying to take it further than that, no, the items should absolutely stay. It would be gross precedent to remove them based off such negative takes on a common fashion for the Japanese people. If that reasoning was followed, you could say all sorts of outfits resemble attire used by some ancient people that conquered another. It would be ridiculous.

[Cyhiwraith]

Well well well... Square Enix themselves are in violation of the terms of service. What a tangled web we've weaved.

■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

◆Offensive expression
"Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person

Edit: I just want to point out that this new t.o.s. is impossible to fully comply with as Square themselves has already broken it in the short time these changes were made. Things should be reverted back due to how unrealistic these rules are and I at the very least would like to see how square enix tends to take responsibility for them breaking their own tos.

All said and done, If anyone likes these outfits, now is the time to get them in case they get removed.

TFW you break your own ToS, enjoy that loose footing in legal battles now SE. :^) Change your ToS to not be so scummy and weasely.

[seida]

This confuses me for several reasons:

1) According to others who know Korean, the issue with it was the term used to describe the clothes (Taisho Roman), not the actual clothes themselves.

2) The clothes are just school/civilian wear of 1920s Japan, still worn today for graduation ceremonies.

3) All the info I can find, including wikipedia, state that Japan enforced a more western style uniform on Korean schools, not this kimono/hakama combo.

While I understand distaste for the term the Chinese team used (and changed), I fail to see how the clothes themselves are a huge problem.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

I am strongly against the idea of censoring the game. If you don't like a particular outfit, you have the option to simply not purchase it. Removing items from the game because they offend someone is a very slippery slope. Furthermore, a lot of the backlash seems to be coming from the perpetually offended corners of the internet, namely Twitter and Tumblr. A crowd who typically thrive on creating controversies to be outraged by even if it does not affect them personally in any way.

Oh boy the censorship crowd is out here.

Always fun to say this until it's something that bothers your sensibilities.

[Anselmet]

What Japan did to Korea was terrible, anyone who tries to say otherwise are probably severely misinformed. That being said, these are school uniforms from that era. The hat that is famously worn in both the traditional Japanese clothing school uniform that we have on the mogstation and the western version that you often see middle school boys in today, is a naval hat based on western design. It's not Japanese in nature, but its used in their uniforms. Japanese culture as a whole was being forced upon Koreans. So why is a school uniform any less triggering then anything else that is culturally Japanese? Kugane should be a Korean's nightmare then if Japanese clothing from the era is so bad.

Its a traditional design from the 1930s. People who play this mmo in Japan now are not the same people who occupied Korea (tho I will admit that the Japanese government needs to do a better job educating and address their crimes during the occupation of Korea and elsewhere). But bc their country did something awful they can't enjoy something traditionally from their country? That doesn't make sense. I've also read these outfits are not offered on Korean servers due to the chance of making Koreans uncomfortable. That to me says that Square Enix is more than aware of Korean feelings and took the step to try and avoid hard feelings and an uproar. While Koreans and expat Koreans can be on NA/EU/JP servers, they are a small group. So what is offered to us is being considered by the majority to be mundane and something that Japanese school children wore during the 1930s.

Square Enix made attempts to be culturally sensitive on servers where it mattered and due to that clearly had recognizes why it's controversial. Which might I say, is leaps and bounds for a Japanese company. However, just because Japan did awful things to Eastern/South Eastern Asia that does not mean that is all that was going on within its boarders. There were everyday Japanese people who were living a normal life. Children wore those outfits and went about their normal day. There is more going on in a country, no matter how evil their country is, that is not linked to those evil deeds. Its clothing that everyone wore. Unfortunately because Japan was enforcing Japanization of Koreans, they too had to wear the uniform. That does not change that there is a normalcy to these uniforms within Japan itself. This subject is not black and white. And treating it as such to get mad at a company that has already made attempts to avoid the controversy is pointless and oversimplifies history.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

This confuses me for several reasons:

1) According to others who know Korean, the issue with it was the term used to describe the clothes (Taisho Roman), not the actual clothes themselves.

2) The clothes are just school/civilian wear of 1920s Japan, still worn today for graduation ceremonies.

3) All the info I can find, including wikipedia, state that Japan enforced a more western style uniform on Korean schools, not this kimono/hakama combo.

While I understand distaste for the term the Chinese team used (and changed), I fail to see how the clothes themselves are a huge problem.

Right. Wikipedia actually said this:

In the 1930s, the Empire of Japan, which ruled over Korea, implemented a policy to unify the girls' uniforms as 'yangjang.' The change in policy is attributed to both a growing awareness of Western culture and a movement by Japan to get rid of hanbok. The most widespread school uniform for girls was a white blouse with a brown skirt, and a sailor suit uniform in the winter. However, a few schools still maintained the hanbok uniform.

In the late 1930s to the 1940s, students were forced to wear workwear. This was due to the beginning of World War II and Japan's involvement in the war. The uniform was dubbed 'Mum-Bae (몸빼).' Some schools avoided this policy by designating other pants as uniforms. Other schools such as ChungShim Women's School refused to comply with the policy and wore hanbok.

[Gwenorai]

Oh boy the censorship crowd is out here.

Always fun to say this until it's something that bothers your sensibilities.

Let's face it though - in this day and age most folks wear their sensibilities like a fragile second skin. I swear some people get more offended than those who actually lived through the atrocities.

[micropanther7]

This thread sorely needs a lock.

No it doesn't, most people who are debating with the OP (the people that actually read the OP's post and just don't jump down her throat), even the OP themselves are being reasonable and polite, it's the usual same dogpiling individuals who don't really care about the topic, they just enjoy causing drama, who are turning the thread sour. I'm not saying don't disagree, some people just don't know how to behave when they do so.

Edited to add: Gihwezi, not directing that at you, honestly, thought I'd better add!

[Agaziel]

Thank you for reading.

Is good to remember the past mistakes to learn from them and not repeat such but is you and your generation and the following that will be able to reassure a safe future.

Just make sure your future doctors are not into human test subjects and abuse of the legal system to dismiss the importance of such conditions while neglecting ethic and morals.

I know at your age is difficult to understand the impact you will make in the future together as a generation.