Using autism and cancer in comments and as a derogatory term...

[Noitems]

This post seemed to kick start my use of the word 'moron' as potentially being offensive, I could of accepted it apologised and changed all the 'moron' references to something like, stupid or silly maybe to sate the apparent 'offence' of the word I used.

I feel the context of my comment on people being 'morons' or 'moronic' is literally being taken out of context due to some personal feelings toward a early 20th century Greek word which generally means 'foolish'.

Actually the term moron was used as a medical disorder. It was used for those who we would now call "Mentally Handicapped" and was a derogatory term. People could be officially labelled as morons and would be scrutinized for it by the general public just because of a birth defect.

I actually worked with an agency that was closely related to the Fernald State School which was a location where families would send their government labelled "Moron" relatives to to have them be rehabilitated. This school was filled with horrific experiments including giving radioactive oatmeal (Sponsored by Quaker Oats) to test radioactive studies in children.

Fred Boyce was a normal 7 year old boy dropped at the school due to having failing IQ grades (due to fear and anxiety) and was placed in the school due to his low score. He was clinically labelled as a moron and didn't have the information taken off until after his death, far after when Fernald closed down to it's mistreatment. So much so that US president Bill Clinton actually had to apologize for the fiasco. The term moron (while the world will generally view as comical or goofy) has a huge weight to it and has more recently been distanced in favor of other words as it's a harsh stigma for certain individuals.

Here's an article going over his story for reference https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sa...e&pid=17952687

TL;DR realistically should have used the word "Fool" because defending yourself for using the word Moron (after doing research btw) is extremely insensitive.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

This post seemed to kick start my use of the word 'moron' as potentially being offensive, I could of accepted it apologised and changed all the 'moron' references to something like, stupid or silly maybe to sate the apparent 'offence' of the word I used.

I didn't do this, instead I decided to do a little research instead, so I looked in my little dictionary by the side of me, a 'collins gem English dictionary' if you will although not the most well known, it got me thinking more when I read 'mentally deficient person' but after this it also said 'fool' the 'fool' part being the thing I truly thought was it's meaning due to my uneducated brain. But 'mentally deficient' meant I needed to do a little more research on it so I did just that.

Early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8–12): from Greek mōron, neuter of mōros ‘foolish’.

The statement above originates from early 20th century Greek, this was found in the world famous Oxford English Dictionary and I had thought Oxford English Dictionary endorsed Scrabble, a bit of useless information here but it was actually the aforementioned makers of the little dictionary that do, anyway, back on topic.

Again I felt I needed to research more, this is interesting and I came across a site that basically tells you all the meanings of 'moron' and where they originate it was a dictionary/thesaurus, it mentioned in all the blurbs that all but three even the Greek blurb didn't mention the statement of it's origin but an American Heritage Dictionary blurb claims that it's meaning is exactly the same as the original meaning from the Greeks.

Like I said "all but three" says quite frankly it means, a person who makes unfunny, uncool, uninteresting or irrelevant attempts to look cool to others, a stupid person, I think you might get the jist of what I am saying.

I feel the context of my comment on people being 'morons' or 'moronic' is literally being taken out of context due to some personal feelings toward a early 20th century Greek word which generally means 'foolish'.

Ironically this argument also applies to the two words you're complaining about: just "semantics" it away...

[Noitems]

I do apologise I didn't look into it too as much as your apparent profession I am also not saying it isn't your profession your words against my thoughts and all that, I literally just browsed through it and saw no dates referring to anything near 'early' 20th century, iirc i think I saw a date that was the earliest 1961 that is in my mind is mid 20th century potentially 5 decades after the origin of the word. Again I only "browsed" through it, please do not judge me.

"Moron is a term once used in psychology and psychiatry to denote mild intellectual disability. The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement. Once the term became popularized, it fell out of use by the psychological community, as it was used more commonly as an insult than as a psychological term"

I just searched up the word "Moron" on google and this paragraph is the first thing that popped for the wikipedia description next to it. I only went into more detail to give you more backing information but any person who sees the word "Eugenics" in a description should probably admit it wasn't the best word to use in that context.

[Iromi]

I don't care for it either one bit either OP. But in the end I find its best to just remember..they're just words with no meaning behind it besides misery, the people saying them can't really do anything and probably won't. I usually get mad for a second..then block them and try to move on. It's just not worth the energy to me. Not to say the words aren't hurtful and don't bother me, they do..but in the end that is what those types want, they want us to be miserable like them and suffer..so I try not to. I gave in plenty of times..not anymore. Now I stand up for myself or ignore them and go and do something productive to piss them off.

There is a lot of horrible things I've come across in FFXIV, people making fun of disabled folks, calling people names, using lots of childish insults, etc. I even had someone attacking me on here and outside the game for "stealing" a character and calling me all kinds of names..it seems like some people who play this game get too involved and I find it best to just block and move on, and I know sometimes that's hard because words can be hurtful but it has been working well for me. I grew dragon scales for myself to deal with all the hate I get.

[Noitems]

I have never asked for an American history thesis, I have merely stated the origin of the term.

But let me explain my feelings a little people might think that my feelings are a little perverse toward American history, meh so what truly has no bearing on me.

American history, no I will correct myself, the formation of USA is a mere dot on human civilisation, what I am interested in mostly is even more of a "mere dot" on civilisation, but guess what what I am interested in is more relevant to me and it's historic bearing is massive because it has the interest of people 'world wide'. I understand this post has complete relevance to you due to your 'apparent' profession, granted, I simply could of looked into it a bit more to have a little more understanding, however, after my post count banhammer there was a ton of things I wanted to get on with in our beautiful game we call FFXIV, I was literally only half arsed putting in the research time during my character doing quick synths and stuff of that ilk. I found the origin of the word stated in the post you first replied to and worked with that.

I must thank you for the lesson, it is appreciated but irrelevant I feel to the post you first replied to.

Dude it doesn't even matter at this point if it's American, Bosnian, or from a land of half melted gumdrops. The sentence literally says "Eugenics" smack dab on the first paragraph for Wikipedia. You don't need to understand a nation's culture to understand why that may possibly tied to a bad thing.

You said something you thought was okay (after doing research), people pointed out it was offensive. Now I'm here justifying why it was offensive and explaining this event to give you some backstory to those unfamiliar with it (like you). Hell even if I didn't give you a big info dump, any person who would see the word Eugenics would probably be backing off that statement.

[Lihtleita]

op is right yall just dont want to examine your own behavior in fear you might actually be a bad person

[SerLuke]

Oh I didn't even see the morons part in the OP yeah that should go.

[DumdogsWorld]

op is right yall just dont want to examine your own behavior in fear you might actually be a bad person

Some people (like myself) don't use the kind of language that the OP was referring to, but also don't get upset when others use it.

Getting offended every time somebody wants you to be offended is no way to live life.

[SerLuke]

I'm not going to waste a post due to the old post banhammer coming down on my head again I feel I need to save my limited posts to more important views ... oops!

You realize it’s working against the point of your post and a lot more people might support you if you took it out, right?

[VillainQueen]

To me it seems OP is a little bit too sensitive. I mean saying something is cancer is like saying something is unwanted or bad. Because no one likes to have cancer, so I don't see the problem. And I say that as someone who had a close family member died because of it.
Relax and don't get offended at something that trivial. It's not like someone got personally insulted... that's a different can of worms.