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    Syphin_Polaris's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kobe-sabi View Post
    i dont put anything past Yoshi Team, these people are working hard to give the people great content, but it seems for the last 2 expansion they had to adjust the SCH mp cost for Adlo and Succor after the content been out for months. Now for seasonal SCH we worked around it, but for the leaks i have seen and for over 90% of these leaks to be correct the mp cost i saw for Adlo scared me since i love to DPS during my downtime.
    Ah, I have not seen much regarding scholars on the leaks/information we have so far. I don't really play healers ever so it is far from something I knowledgeable in. I have all my jobs to 70 so I have at least a general understanding of how jobs work and interact with their abilities and other players but that's as far as that goes for me and healers. I will admit the costs for abilities I have actually seem are pretty steep, example being drk's skills costing 3k across the board, but these are still just media builds we've seen for the expansion, and who knows what may or may not change.

    I do wholeheartedly hope the jobs and game changes are for the better for everyone, because it is really saddening to see certain jobs shunned in areas because they are just out shined by another job in their role. The jobs I've seen so far that I do like playing have seemed interesting so I'm trying to stay optimistic for the other jobs too.
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    Austen Bloodspatter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syphin_Polaris View Post
    I will admit the costs for abilities I have actually seem are pretty steep, example being drk's skills costing 3k across the board, but these are still just media builds we've seen for the expansion, and who knows what may or may not change.
    Well that's gonna be like PLD and Clemency - It cost a lot of MP (before trait) but you got combo that generate MP. Now they remove aggro combo, so both DRK/PLD will get MP from main combo (guessing) to fuel those skills.
    Your skills can drain MP, so with Blood Price, you can recover MP fast and spam those skills for Burst DPS - mostly in AOE situtations - together with Siphon and Blood Weapon, you'll have large MP recovery.
    Blood Weapon/Price might share CD though, or one is removed.
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    It's way too early to doomsay the healer MP game, and in theory it'll be no different than having the 25000-something mp you have now, just with smaller numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordcruxis View Post
    It's way too early to doomsay the healer MP game, and in theory it'll be no different than having the 25000-something mp you have now, just with smaller numbers
    I don’t know of any healer currently with 25,000 MP. Even with full Piety melds/full Piety gear... Most sit at ~18,000-ish.

    We’ll just have to see. It all depends on the MP cost of our spells (healing and DPS spells), refresh rate of in-combat MP regen, and the refresh rate of our MP cooldowns (it seems Lucid Dreaming is still a thing—Mana Shift is gone though; haven’t heard much about Refresh). Not sure how well the refresh rate on the new Piety will be—if it will be worth it to meld that as opposed to other substats. We’ll just have to wait and see.
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    People also seem to forget that healers have actions to help avoid all or some MP costs being used, (i.e. Thin Air, Lightspeed, Aetherflow), along with Lucid and Refresh capabilities. Once spell MP costs are adjusted it'll be just like how we are playing now, nothing much to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    People also seem to forget that healers have actions to help avoid all or some MP costs being used, (i.e. Thin Air, Lightspeed, Aetherflow), along with Lucid and Refresh capabilities. Once spell MP costs are adjusted it'll be just like how we are playing now, nothing much to worry about.
    SCH are losing one of their main MP regenerators in Energy Drain.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I don’t know of any healer currently with 25,000 MP. Even with full Piety melds/full Piety gear... Most sit at ~18,000-ish.

    We’ll just have to see. It all depends on the MP cost of our spells (healing and DPS spells), refresh rate of in-combat MP regen, and the refresh rate of our MP cooldowns (it seems Lucid Dreaming is still a thing—Mana Shift is gone though; haven’t heard much about Refresh). Not sure how well the refresh rate on the new Piety will be—if it will be worth it to meld that as opposed to other substats. We’ll just have to wait and see.
    Indeed, but one my biggest problems with SE regarding FFXIV is how much they try to hide information. If you could hover over a substat and have it say, "increases your mana regenration by X amount every 3 seconds" it would go a long way, but here we are 5 years after ARR and we still don't have that info.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 05-28-2019 at 08:55 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    People also seem to forget that healers have actions to help avoid all or some MP costs being used, (i.e. Thin Air, Lightspeed, Aetherflow), along with Lucid and Refresh capabilities. Once spell MP costs are adjusted it'll be just like how we are playing now, nothing much to worry about.
    aetherflow, lightspeed doesnt give free cast lol it decresses cost for a short bit also it weakns the cure ability . thin air is the only way 2 get free cost lol
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    aetherflow, lightspeed doesnt give free cast lol it decresses cost for a short bit also it weakns the cure ability. thin air is the only way 2 get free cost lol
    This is incorrect. Lightspeed does not half the potency of your heals. Back in HW, it cut the potency of your damage spells by 25%, but never healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    aetherflow, lightspeed doesnt give free cast lol it decresses cost for a short bit also it weakns the cure ability . thin air is the only way 2 get free cost lol
    Read what I said "avoid all or some MP costs", I never said everything was free casts. Also as Hyomin said, healing is not reduced during Lightspeed, please read your tooltips.
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    Last edited by Kurando; 05-28-2019 at 06:56 AM.

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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Everything is % based and balanced accordingly, the devs said that themselves. The only reason for the change is to unify MP across jobs and 10k is a nice round number.
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