Why are people calling it “casualbringers” now?

[Kohdo]

So your argument is "don't make the class better and accessable for everyone, just tell the 'noobs' to 'git gud'". Kind of a BS argument to make there.

No, it's not. All classes are accessible to all players. Playing any class at a high level of proficiency means does mean you have to put in effort to learn your class' mechanics. Some people would rather whine about a class being 'too complicated' than learn to play it well, which can lead to class/es having their mechanics simplified and homogenized.

In my experience the loudest whiners aren't "noobs", but self-entitled players who've been here a while.

[Mirassou]

Can anyone tell me why some people calling the game casual after shadowbringers skill showcase. Also people are comparing this to what WOW did, any context for that?

I think you're the only one

[Fellgon]

Can anyone tell me why some people calling the game casual after shadowbringers skill showcase. Also people are comparing this to what WOW did, any context for that?

Theres nothing in this game that can be compared to what blizz made of wow...

blizz thought theyr players base was the same of smartphones players, so they filld wow with minigames, quest with similarity of smartphone games interface, created powerfull cards in Hearthstone that you can only obtain with real money...

also mmo are not complex. I sometimes wonder why players complains about gameplay. MMO do not require previous Master, PhD skill to play.

[Dzian]

That doesn't really take into account people that aren't already fans of FF. FF13 was the game that got me into the FF series due to its accessibility and now I've been subbed to FF14 for a few years, own FF12 on several platforms

Interesting.
May I ask though would you consider 12 to be an accessible game within the franchise?

I ask because personally at least I believe it to be one of the more complex titles with all its little puzzles and intricacies and even the way basic progression works. The license system in 12 is a hell of a lot more complex that 13s crysterium system which is basically linear in comparison.

12 also has the gambit system which in itself can be quite complex and intricate. But despite this I would still consider 12 to be a very accessible game. would you agree?

This goes back to a point I've made before. That making games accessible or casual friendly doesn't mean making them super simplistic or easy.

...also mmo are not complex, i sometimes wonder why players complains about gameplay. MMO do not require previous Master, PhD skill to play.

Not at all. Because again even while 12 was vastly more complex than 13 was it was by no means a difficult game to play.

While games may not require PhDs to be able to play. There is nothing wrong with them at least requiring some level and brain activity and thought..

[AngelyLowell]

Interesting
May I ask though would you consider 12 to be an accessible game within the franchise?

I think she mention 13 not 12.

[Dzian]

I think she mention 13 not 12.

If you read the quote it says they "own FF12 on several platforms"

[AngelyLowell]

If you read the quote it says they "own FF12 on several platforms"

That doesn't really take into account people that aren't already fans of FF. FF13 was the game that got me into the FF series due to its accessibility and now I've been subbed to FF14 for a few years, own FF12 on several platforms, played a myriad of spinoffs, and completed FF15. I understand why players get alienated with change but saying "its a ruined game" is an exaggeration. I had primarily ignored the FF franchise (due to only owning nintendo consoles and being a child) but when I saw FF13's graphics on xbox360 i decide to give it a shot and liked it.

There, she mentions 13. =)

[Dzian]

There, she mentions 13. =)

Keep reading. Its literally the next sentence after the one you bolded....

Edit:-

To clarify.
They Said 13 was the game that got them into the franchise because of its accessibility. and that they also own 12?

My question was did they think 12 was accessible? because its vastly more intricate and complex than 13 was... but its by no means inaccessible imo