Randomly Making OCD Observation about WHM Job Actions

[Ghishlain]

@DotsNnots

For #1, definitely agreed on that.

For #2 - I would err more towards gaining a single Lily once the shine reaches the top of the gauge, but the idea of the gauge generating three feels more appealing given how many things seem to interact with these Lilies. I think three might be a bit much given the fact that an ability seems tied behind the ussage of three lilies but hey, who knows. This ability can mean a whole whack of things too - I'm tempted to lean towards a HoT if it is a buff. If it is a buff, it also means it has a longer duration than the job action video since buffs wearing out have a small visual indicator, unless that visual indicator was drowned out by other effects which is entirely possible given how shiny the WHM job action video is.

For #3 - Agreed, with me leaning more towards replacing A2 since it seems to be single target based on the size of the animation, and instant cast.

For #4 - Agreed~

For #5 - I actually never noticed this was Plenary being cast until you brought this up. The only time I've ever used Plenary is in the heat of combat so I never took the time to absorb the animation for it, lol. Thanks for that tid bit/ It's entirely possible that the WHM started with some for of confession stacks on everyone if Plenary still acts as it did before - though it does look like the effect changed due to point 7a below, which I'm also in agreement with. Take into account that for 7a, the buffs only seem to fall off the two other party members, and not the WHM. More on this at point 7. Also note that Plenary is split into two - the first half is the WHM using Plenary and the second is the "effect" animation hits the entire party.

For #6 - In the current expansion, when a party member gains a Confession stack via AoE heal, they get that orb animation showing they've gained an confession stacks (I just observed this playing around with Plenary animation, thanks for that!). Note that the animation in the job action video after Medica is cast is the same animation of the "effect" portion of Plenary that I pointed out in point #5.

For #7 - Because of my observations into Plenary, before the wings sprout the WHM has the animation of "gaining a confession" used on them. Not sure if related to #5 and #6 in any shape or form. This seems to also imply it "rebuffs" whatever plenary applies? Since the buffs only fall off the other two party members.

For #8 - Given the information above, I think it's important to note that Medica II doesn't have a Plenary effect animation like Medica does. This dDoes match what your friend is thinking at the end of your post, though it should still give an extra heal to WHM since the WHM plenary doesn't drop after use of wings? /think

#9, #10, and #11 - yep, agreed as well.

More thoughts:

Wings I'm going to assume is a super charged Largesse as well until told otherwise. Also I do hope it'll affect ability heals too if that's the case. Time will tell~

The new AoE heal is what I believe to be a new charged ability, hence why they show it twice. I guess time will tell. I also believe it's Charged because it seems absolutely crazy for WHM to have a AoE heal ability that basically only has a 15s recast on it. Alternatively, it's entirely possible the new AoE heal can be only be used when the WHM has a lily.

I too hope the lily DPS ability is an oGCD but an instant GCD doesn't necessarily hurt since you can still use that to both prevent clipping and move from mechanics with proper planning.

WHM is looking like a giant CD management nightmare though @_@ If it is I look forward to it~

[DotsNnots]

WHM is looking like a giant CD management nightmare though @_@ If it is I look forward to it~

This is the part I'm most concerned about.

Right now WHM is clipmage - it's next to impossible to play optimally without clipping, and your optimization choices are centered around avoiding clipping.

Even if that aoe is an instant GCD heal (which would be gross) we're not going to intentionally spam an instant heal just to make a weave window, that's still a net loss, you're only going to use it if healing is needed - and even then if it's tied to the GCD you'll still rely on oGCDs first. Like, for the sake of math let's say the all of the lily consuming/generating skills were GCDs. Using stone VI's potency for the math, unless the red lily does more than 750p damage, you're not going to want to GCD heal needlessly just to get the red lily. And if you or your co-healer has oGCD heals that can cover the damage, the math will likely point to the oGCDs being more value since most oGCDs have zero or limited costs, and a GCD (instant or otherwise) still costs you a GCD that could've been damage...

Would be interesting if the red lily is somehow so potent that it makes it worth the value of losing the "stone" (aka new damage spell) casts, though.

[Ghishlain]

Right now WHM is clipmage - it's next to impossible to play optimally without clipping, and your optimization choices are centered around avoiding clipping.

I'm of opposite mindset since I find the challenge of "selecting the right tool" to be pretty fun. Just because you have all these lovely oGCDs at your disposal doesn't mean you shouldn't be pushing them all either. Thus finding the optimal skill usage on the fly will be a nightmare yet rewarding experience in my mind. I find the hardest part of playing WHM is not wanting to hit everything unless you need to.

With that being said I am in agreement that the optimal choice will generally be shared healing responsibilities via oGCDs, but having an GCD AoE instant heal wouldn't be bad either. IE you can use it after Final Omega's Electric Slide to get people topped off prior to Delta Attack and still allow the WHM to move into position properly. Also allows for free non-clip use of Swiftcast to allow the WHM to stack back in while using a GCD afterwards.

Would be interesting if the red lily is somehow so potent that it makes it worth the value of losing the "stone" (aka new damage spell) casts, though.

I had a random shower thought of lilies can be grown both over time and with the use of a Cure. Meaning there may be some optimized scenarios that using a Cure may result in a net gain instead of waiting the 30s if the potency is high enough on the lily. IE, if it's 750p like you mentioned before, using a Cure II followed into the lily attack would reduce the need to clip a GCD later for Tetra, resulting in a net DPS gain.

I guess time will tell though, I might be too tired to offer good theorycraft ATM, lol. I'm looking forward to seeing the tooltips come the 29th but it's also fun to theorize what everything means in that 35s some odd long video too.

I feel we are getting a huge confession / plenary rework given the amount of times those animations pop up.

Not really sure, but I think the blood lilly attack look a bit like Penelo's (FFXII) Intercession quickening?

I never played FFXII so I wish I could comment on this xD

[manamoppet]

I never played FFXII so I wish I could comment on this xD

Me neither (but I want to play it at some point), though I did watch some youtube videos of different Final Fantasy magic some time ago. Did some googling and found a gif from FF Brave Exvius of Intercession that's a bit more easier to compare with than the one in FFXII:



and from the job action video



There's not much difference I think (color tint and lack of rising orb)... though some part of Intercession might have been a visual inspiration, or it may be just a coincidence