Thread: What's disappointed me most about RDM in 5.0

Originally Posted by Gokuhan

People need to chill with the speculation when we know so little. All this doom and gloom over nothing concrete.

Scatter spam was boring as it can get. If they make AoE more interesting I'm all for it. And as noted, a weaker melee finisher is better than not being able to use displacement at all.

After the media embargo gets lifted on the 29th we'll know a lot more on how this actually all works.

I agree. Once the Embargo is lifted then we will know for sure. I main RDM, I looking forward to all the content regarding RDM & other jobs on 5/29.

I enjoyed the Scatter Spam but the AOE VerThunder & VerAero looks dope.

I hope these AOEs give DOTS.

Originally Posted by Nighthawky2010

I agree. Once the Embargo is lifted then we will know for sure. I main RDM, I looking forward to all the content regarding RDM & other jobs on 5/29.

I enjoyed the Scatter Spam but the AOE VerThunder & VerAero looks dope.

I hope these AOEs give DOTS.

We actually have seen every RDM skill/change so far. It just comes down to: will SE make any last minute changes between media tour build and release? So the media tour information we are going to get will be exactly whats been leaked [the real leaks.] The AoEs do not give a DoT. There aren't any real additional effects except for magic damage up on manafiction.

Heres a Decent chunk.

I'm going to have to be more optimistic personally.

My biggest issues with red mage in 4.x are:
1) Extremely boring AoE rotation
2) No (reasonable) way to control your melee combo timings
3) Manafication often comes up at awkward times
4) Movement heavy sections can screw you if your melee combo and/or swiftcast don't line up. Despite popular belief, a red mage is less mobile than a summoner.

So far from what I've seen, this already has all the problems being fixed. I don't call the extra AoE stuff "button bloat", I call it "I won't be falling asleep trying to build up to my moulinet spam". Reprise offers a mana dump, creating both a way to line up your melee combos with the raid, and a way to dump excess mana to press manafication when it comes off cooldown at 50/50, instead of 70/70. And finally, armed with the knowledge that you have a use or two of Reprise in your budget for lining up your mana, you can use it during movement heavy sections.

scatter and impact become an AoE, leaving us with a "cost" of one level 72+ slot for AoE. Reprise is the utility we've needed. And Scorch is cool as heck.

We haven't seen everything, and I'm excited for it. I want to know the deets on scorch. I want to know what that weird buff on manafication is. I want to know it all, but I'm already happy with what I've seen.

Originally Posted by Zyneste

I originally outlined all the changes to the class, but when I went to make the post I flubbed it after typing "character limit" and my wall of text was copied over by "character limit".

Here are the skills from the LL broadcast that had tooltips.



What disappoints me most is that we undertook allot of pre-70 changes in order to introduce a better AOE system. So we turned 1 AOE skill (scatter) into 3 (VerAero/Verthunder AOE and Impact.) This caused our Single target rotation to become simpler with just spamming Jolt II (Buffed by 10 potency) when our verthunder/veraero fails to yield a proc. We added in a skill that we will only use when displacement would cause issues like falling with 50 less potency [Engagement 150 potency, Displacement 200. They share a cd.]

We are doing this strange button bloat give and take. We are adding obvious button bloat while removing skills that did their purpose just fine. This AOE combo is an clone of the single target combo. It doesn't add value to the AOE aspect anymore than Scatter. Less even since its the exact same.



After the rework we will be pressing 5 less buttons (not including the removal of Drain. The left side included a macro that combined Addle/Manashift so its 33 buttons vs 28)

We will have no crowd control abilities with the removal of Tether for content like Eureka.

We will have less OGCD mitigative support with the removal of Erase/Apoc.

We won't be able to contribute to healer MP recovery like we could with Manashift, leaving that to ONLY Ranged.



RDM's Hard cast, instant cast, weave setup really allowed for us to be able to chime in with abilities like erase/Apoc/manashift to support our party members, but with their removal we really have nothing to do between our sparring OGCD attacks that we will be double weaving as often as possible. A skill like gun breaker's Aurora would have really helped keep us feeling like we're contributing to something without costing us a GCD like vercure. Losing our OGCD support skills leaves RDM feeling really hollow. I know its mostly the role skills being removed that bugs me, role skills that even BLM had access to, but RDM used them much more easily and had an incentive to use them. Players not dying means that RDM doesn't need to raise. I wish they had furthered this concept in SB instead of adding niche skills.


“A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”

I like the changes, thanks square enix ❤

I'm extremely disappointed with 5.0 Red Mage as well. All these other classes get thoughtful things or cool things that demonstrate a passion and interest for the class, but RDM was just tossed in the garbage alongside WHM. They aren't even pretending to care about whether or not red mage is a good class. The additions they made, for the most part, appear to have taken a grand total of 5 seconds to think up and don't really help in any substantive way for endgame content. I'm happy about getting stronger AoE but everything else about this sucks. In this whole expansion we only have 1 good new skill to look forward to and even that pales in comparison to what almost every other class got.

I dont really get what's going on with Verthunder. When does it become AoE?

Originally Posted by Seraphor

I dont really get what's going on with Verthunder. When does it become AoE?

There are two skills both named verthunder and two both named veraero. One verthunder and veraero is AoE, the other is not. Impact is now always an AoE spell that upgrades from scatter. I have no idea why they did it this way and it seems incredibly lazy/half-assed. It makes me mad what they're doing to a class I love.