Thread: What's disappointed me most about RDM in 5.0

Originally Posted by Nalien

Would be better if they just followed through the same logic they did leading into Stormblood with skills like Repelling Shot and just moved the damage elsewhere, like onto Corps-a-corps. I've spend all expansion wondering how they could rightly remove the damage from Repelling Shot, for perfectly sound reasons, but they went and slapped damage on Displacement all the same... Now they're doubling down on it and adding a Lv72 skill to "fix" the issue they already fixed with Bard in 4.0... Even if you want to look at it as a gain on restricted arenas, you're still being punished just by virtue of being on that arena... It's baffling that they gave Engagement 150 potency and Displacement 200... "We understand that you have a slight DPS loss from being unable to use Displacement on some arenas, we're going to make that less of an issue but not outright fix the issue when it would be as simple as giving Engagement the same potency as Displacement..."

It's really hard to look at that, then look at something like Machinist that's getting Bioblaster, Auto-crossbow, Drill, and B.O.B, and not be somewhat put off...

Something Like a damage down [something defensive Id say or an aggro cut so it doesnt *compete* for DPS] on displacement with 200 potency and just leaving Engagement with 200 potency no additional effect would have been an okay compromise. :C

Originally Posted by Gokuhan

People need to chill with the speculation when we know so little. All this doom and gloom over nothing concrete.

Scatter spam was boring as it can get. If they make AoE more interesting I'm all for it. And as noted, a weaker melee finisher is better than not being able to use displacement at all.

After the media embargo gets lifted on the 29th we'll know a lot more on how this actually all works.

And when its all exactly the same as predicted well have waited a week for more disappointment.

The only thing we can hope for is that Raise will have a CD on it so we arent expected to raise at the cost of a GCD, since the caster role seems to be focusing more on pure damage over any real support.

Originally Posted by Kurando

The funny thing is I saw Arm's Length on Yoshi's Gunbreaker hotbar as well, and that was always a melee DPS action. Unless enemies lose the ability to interrupt player actions or do so at a much lower rate, then rip Surecast. What's the likelyhood they'll just reduce the CD in a later patch after players complain how ineffective it is for Casters, hmm...

I think Paladins will be losing Tempered Will so that all the tanks can have access to a knockback prevention ability in Arm's Length as a role-action. In fact, I'm pretty sure bard also used Arm's length in the job action trailer, so this is basically giving everyone the 'basically' same ability on the same cooldown.

Originally Posted by Gokuhan

People need to chill with the speculation when we know so little. All this doom and gloom over nothing concrete.

Scatter spam was boring as it can get. If they make AoE more interesting I'm all for it. And as noted, a weaker melee finisher is better than not being able to use displacement at all.

After the media embargo gets lifted on the 29th we'll know a lot more on how this actually all works.

This game is was released yesterday, we know what previous expansions were like and literally nothing was changed from teaser build to final build related to Job Actions. No, we don't need to keep out mount shut over something so obvious, it's literally there.
I'm pretty disappointed they decided to bring yet another version of Aero and Thunder when they could bring Water and Blizzard for this AoE aspect. They should have changed the AoE Verthunder and Veraero to be the same thing, being Aoe by default and turning into their powerfull version when dualcast is active. But instead of using Impact they should have created Verwater and Verblizzard as the new AoE 5s cast time. Wasted opportunity... maybe for 6.0...

I feel they should have kept Scatter as a low level AoE skill, then upgrade it with a trait to Impact. Then release Verwater and verblizzard as 5s cast time AoE. It's nearly impossible to imagine they haven't just thought of this.

I really hope there's more than just this. Because RDM is already a pretty boring Job, with 5.0 they didn't showed much to address this.

Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

This game is was released yesterday, we know what previous expansions were like and literally nothing was changed from teaser build to final build related to Job Actions. No, we don't need to keep out mount shut over something so obvious, it's literally there.
I'm pretty disappointed they decided to bring yet another version of Aero and Thunder when they could bring Water and Blizzard for this AoE aspect.
Also, why they did invert to Aero/Thunder > Impact when Impact was supposed to be weaker than any Aero/thunder spell? Why does single target Aero/Thunder have 5s cast time, and the AoE is normal GCD? it does not make sense since it's not just a weaker single target, it's an AoE.

I feel they should have kept Scatter as a low level AoE skill, then upgrade it with a trait to Impact. Then release Verwater and verblizzard as 5s cast time AoE. It's nearly impossible to imagine they haven't just thought of this.

Looking at a couple leaks, scatter did get traited into impact. It's Scatter until level 66.

My biggest issue with the expansion upgrade to RDM isn't that we got all these changes, its that SE emphasizes Bloat being an issue, but we have 5 less active hotbar skills than we did in 4.0, a time when we had already pruned down classes. RDM was designed as a low button class. We aren't bloated at the least.

Why SE couldn't be bothered to throw us a bone and at least give caster 6 role skills instead of 4 or just give RDM an additonal skill or two if BLM is still too skill bloated from losing nothing other than the 6 role skills while still gaining skills. [Seriously off the top of my head I can't think of one skill they lost.]