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  1. #11
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    Another curiosity, they mentioned that Egis are now insta-casts, and seemed to stress that being done to allow for easier pet swapping. While this is also nice for if the pet somehow dies (or if you die and get rezzed), the other thing I noticed in the video was them swapping for Ifrit after Bahamut, then summoning Phoenix. I wonder if the Egi you have active determines which Demi-summon you use and, if so, what are the pros and cons of using either one? Also, if this is the case, was this done to give more equal usage between Ifrit and Garuda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson View Post
    Another curiosity, they mentioned that Egis are now insta-casts, and seemed to stress that being done to allow for easier pet swapping. While this is also nice for if the pet somehow dies ( or if you die and get rezzed), the other thing I noticed in the video was them swapping for Ifrit after Bahamut, then summoning Phoenix. I wonder if the Egi you have active determines which Demi-summon you use and, if so, what are the pros and cons of using either one? Also, if this is the case, was this done to give more equal usage between Ifrit and Garuda?
    pets wont die, they will not receive any dmg nor will they be targeted by any mobs/players anymore (healers cant heal them). the will be like minions with abilitys u can use.. something like that.
    so i am curious about titan(tank pet) and what his ability's will be, i speculate on giving the summoner defensive buffs maybe? idk, they left him out.
    about equal usage, i dont think thats the intention, but rather making summoner feel more summoner like, like he was in previous games, i've seen some discussion about that in the past. i am curious for the reason/benefit of swapping between them and how this will affect the gameplay/rotation of summoner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson View Post
    Another curiosity, they mentioned that Egis are now insta-casts, and seemed to stress that being done to allow for easier pet swapping. While this is also nice for if the pet somehow dies (or if you die and get rezzed), the other thing I noticed in the video was them swapping for Ifrit after Bahamut, then summoning Phoenix. I wonder if the Egi you have active determines which Demi-summon you use and, if so, what are the pros and cons of using either one? Also, if this is the case, was this done to give more equal usage between Ifrit and Garuda?
    The Demi-Phoenix gauge appeared as soon as Bahamut left, before the switch to Ifrit happened. The summon might still need Ifrit out, but who knows at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maneesha View Post
    pets wont die, they will not receive any dmg nor will they be targeted by any mobs/players anymore (healers cant heal them).
    Oh? I must have missed when they mentioned pets not taking damage. I wasn't able to start watching the LL until later in the broadcast, and only saw the job action trailer after the fact. As for Titan, I wonder about that as well. Not tying him to Bahamut/Phoenix would make a sort of sense, as Titan would disappear when you summon them, not even to mention I'm not entirely clear on how enmity and tanking is supposed to work now with all those changes coming into effect (I'll have to go back and review that...). In any case, I hope they make some sort of significant change to Titan then to make it actually relevant, but given that it didn't appear at all in the trailer I have my concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson View Post
    Oh? I must have missed when they mentioned pets not taking damage. I wasn't able to start watching the LL until later in the broadcast, and only saw the job action trailer after the fact. As for Titan, I wonder about that as well. Not tying him to Bahamut/Phoenix would make a sort of sense, as Titan would disappear when you summon them, not even to mention I'm not entirely clear on how enmity and tanking is supposed to work now with all those changes coming into effect (I'll have to go back and review that...). In any case, I hope they make some sort of significant change to Titan then to make it actually relevant, but given that it didn't appear at all in the trailer I have my concerns.
    The tank pets are being revised, but they didn't give any specifics.


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    Stormblood Action Trailer Just to give everyone some perspective here. Note the Stormblood video never showed Devotion, Tri-Disaster, Ruin IV, Tri-Bind. Instead they focused on showing Bahamut and how the method to summon him, building up the new gauge.

    Shadowbringer Action Trailer Now if you look here you'll noticed SE wanted to show off Demi-Bahamut, instant Egi cast, and Phoenix. Also remember we now have stacks of whatever so you my have been as simple as stacking enough "Aetherflow" to summon Bahamut and Phoenix respectively. Really we won't know until the 29 ; ;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Note the Stormblood video never showed Devotion, Tri-Disaster, Ruin IV, Tri-Bind.
    Really? Because except Devotion I'm pretty sure the animation of them is shown during the video, although we don't know the actual action information at this stage so they could have varying effects.
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    Ok so another curiosity, from the looks at the video, it seems energy drain (which is your new aetherflow and the spell that gives you 2 stacks back) has around a 30 second CD.

    The fact that they did not show Dreadwyrm Trance at all in the video and the fact that the new Energy Drain is on such a low CD further makes me believe they got rid of DT altogether. Also, notice how when an aetherflow spell is used, regardless it's painflare or fester, we don't get the stacks replaced with DT Bahamut heads anymore, so there do not seem to be any sign of DT anymore.

    Ok so all speculation here, but I do really think it's going to be a rotation based on alternating Phoenix with Bahamut, and their uptime is going to be very high. Phoenix was downright ready to release when Bahamut quitted the battlefield, without the use of any aetherflow stacks, so I'm inclined to think that:

    1 - Bahamut and Phoenix are just locked behind say a 30 second CD each one, with no aetherflow requirement.

    2 - The only purpose of Aetherflow spells now is to enhance your own DPS, but they aren't a requirement for the two Demis.

    What I'm not certain about is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    The Demi-Phoenix gauge appeared as soon as Bahamut left, before the switch to Ifrit happened. The summon might still need Ifrit out, but who knows at this point.
    As you clearly state, the Phoenix gauge popped up as soon as Bahamut left while Garuda was still on the battlefield, but the player still called Ifrit and it was only then that they summoned Phoenix, which leads me to believe Ifrit will be required to summon Phoenix, but we can't be 100% sure about this either (hopefully I'm wrong about this). Tbh, from a lore perspective it makes sense, but I'm not too happy about it, though it's also not going to be a drama either now that you can swap egis instantly (hopefully via OGCD?).
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    Benchmark trailer showed dreadwyrm trance though.

    It was phoenix aspected. I guess, dreadphoenix trance.

    So dwt likely not gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milea View Post
    Benchmark trailer showed dreadwyrm trance though.

    It was phoenix aspected. I guess, dreadphoenix trance.

    So dwt likely not gone.
    Oh you are totally right, I just checked it now. There does seem to be a Dreadphoenix trance. I guess that means they'll keep the Dreadwyrm too then. So DWT into Bahamut, then DPT into Phoenix? But if that's the case, how on earth was Phoenix available right after Bahamut in the live letter? Way to make the whole thing absolutely impossible to guess lol.

    Maybe they just wanted to showcase the 2 demis and cheated their way through their requirements. Either way, hopefully they don't make this class another clunky mess...
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