Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[reivaxe]

Well I think the part with the headgear was because they still had to be changed for both races and since there is a huge amount of headgear they decided to do it later and do it together. The hair situation is imo different because unlike Hrothgar the Vieras still have their normal hair customization just less while the Hrothgar have none at all. So I dont see how they could not just say that thanks to their heads they wont get them but at least they got the fur. While Vieras got nothing else instead of more hair and at the same time have no visible reason to not have the other hair since their head is not different than other races.

As been stated they have the same number of hair styles. The Viera can highlight their hair (AND their bang/ non-bangs versions have different highlights, this is not something I see used in any other instance of a hair style going from bangs to no bangs) but the Hrothgar get fur patterns that they can pick and color.

Looking at the fact that the last time they added a new race we could Bench Mark all the shared non-mogstation hair on them AND the fact that Viera were given glasses along with Hrothgar and the fact that they share the same number of hair styles with features unseen in other races it seems clear that they are walking this "unique head" road together.
I mean, your logic seems to be that "Viera have a hair tab" but that's the thing ... they have that NOW yet still don't have the other hairs outside their race styles. And for some reason their 8 race hairs have bangs/ no bangs versions AND different highlights for each version which no other race has and has been pointed to as a unique thing for them.

It's really only wishful assumption to think that things will change at this point and suddenly Viera will get all these things without the Hrothgar getting anything.
I've personally accepted that this is it and either both get the Mog-Station hairs (Cause Money. SE should know many people buy Mogstation glam purely for the hair when that's included) and contest hairs or they get what they got now.

(What the Hrothgar currently have doesn't make up for the Viera getting all the hair in this game and them being left out. Even if they don't add hair styles they need to add more of something lol)

If they really use the argument of a package deal for this then I will just shake my head and even as a fan of beastily races wonder if it wouldnt have been better to just get both Vieras..

Oh, no ... the Hrothgar are clearly the stars of this show. Like Yoshi said, it was Female Hrothgar or Viera. So yeah, maybe they shoulda just added Female Hrothgar instead.
I LOVE that Viera are basically made for making pretty black and brown girl toons in this game but I'd love to see what they think Female Hrothgar would look like given the amazing work on the men.

[Seraphor]

You're not really catching what I'm saying.

Its not a matter of how easy it would be or not, its the fact that through out all this they have treated the HROTHGAR and Viera as a packaged deal.

Like how they said the viera would not be able to wear head gear, not even glasses on the npcs. They didn't go "well, we can at least make glasses easily work on viera so lets let them have those in the mean time and not give HROTHGAR anything". Nope, they didn't seperate their options for that. .

For the hair I see no reason to not think its the same. As in, even if we think it's easy to just make the hair work for Viera I think its not gonna happen unless it happens for both. As it stands neither have the option for none racial hair and to give one all the shared hair styles the other would have to be given the same or something as well.

That's blatantly false as the Viera have more hairstyle options.

The 'no headgear' thing is a time constraint.

[Tharne]

That's blatantly false as the Viera have more hairstyle options.

The 'no headgear' thing is a time constraint.

A single Viera face may have more hairstyle options because of how the Hrothgar have them tied to Faces but they have overall the same number of hairstyle (minus 1 but it's "The Fran" one) across the Race.

Viera have 8 hairstyles with each of them having a bang version and a bangless version (except the first one which has one more with "The Fran") for a total of 16(+1) = 17 hairstyles.
Hrotghar have 4 Faces with 2 hairstyles each = 8 BUT you can had bits to them with Facial Features making it 16 hairstyles.

[Penthea]

You're not really catching what I'm saying.

Its not a matter of how easy it would be or not, its the fact that through out all this they have treated the HROTHGAR and Viera as a packaged deal.

Like how they said the viera would not be able to wear head gear, not even glasses on the npcs. They didn't go "well, we can at least make glasses easily work on viera so lets let them have those in the mean time and not give HROTHGAR anything". Nope, they didn't seperate their options for that. .

For the hair I see no reason to not think its the same. As in, even if we think it's easy to just make the hair work for Viera I think its not gonna happen unless it happens for both. As it stands neither have the option for none racial hair and to give one all the shared hair styles the other would have to be given the same or something as well.

This doesn't really explain why hrothgar have hairstyles tied to faces while viera do not. In this aspect they are not treated as a package deal. At least for the benchmark they have deliberately given hrothgar more restrictive hair options, while viera have been given the standard (which is more flexible) method of choosing hair.

Viera have 8 hairstyles with each of them having a bang version and a bangless version (except the first one which has one more with "The Fran") for a total of 16(+1) = 17 hairstyles.
Hrotghar have 4 Faces with 2 hairstyles each = 8 BUT you can had bits to them with Facial Features making it 16 hairstyles.

But it doesn't feel like sixteen hairstyles because you can't have each of them for every face. You can say au ra have a choice of four horn styles, but if a player only likes one face then that's going to feel like they have a choice of one horn style. Separating horns from faces is frequently requested. Players don't like it. Tying hairstyles to faces is even worse than this.

[SturmChurro]

This doesn't really explain why hrothgar have hairstyles tied to faces while viera do not. In this aspect they are not treated as a package deal. At least for the benchmark they have deliberately given hrothgar more restrictive hair options, while viera have been given the standard (which is more flexible) method of choosing hair.

Agreed. They don't have to fall on this "packaged deal" thing the other poster is claiming. They could easily come up with any excuse in the book for why Hrothgar faces/hairs are restrictive, while still allowing for further hairstyles with Viera.

The real problem with headgear for Viera would be the gigantic ears, that Miqo'te/Elezen, for example, receive custom helmets for. If they wanted to do it properly they would have to modify tons of headgear to fit the Viera head - specifically because of the ears, they could clip the ears through the top, OR they could do what they did and only have specific headgears available.

[Alleo]

This doesn't really explain why hrothgar have hairstyles tied to faces while viera do not. In this aspect they are not treated as a package deal. At least for the benchmark they have deliberately given hrothgar more restrictive hair options, while viera have been given the standard (which is more flexible) method of choosing hair.

Thats my view on this too. If they are a package deal then truly make them one by only allowing both to choose the hair only through the faces. By making Viera different from that you not only already changed the package deal but also opened them up to questions on why they cant get more hairstyles.

And for me they dont even need to be the same. Just go and tell us these things beforehand and explain why it was not possible with Hrothgar.

[Reinha]

The hair limitation is surprising and a bit disappointing, because hairstyles are a collectible people pay money for and grind content for. It probably comes down to memory limitations. If that's the case then they could have tied fur patterns to faces (like Au Ra horns are tied to faces) but let the hairstyles vary independently. Maybe we could have also changed the color of hair highlights instead of pattern color and just have all patterns in black.

[reivaxe]

This doesn't really explain why hrothgar have hairstyles tied to faces while viera do not. In this aspect they are not treated as a package deal. At least for the benchmark they have deliberately given hrothgar more restrictive hair options, while viera have been given the standard (which is more flexible) method of choosing hair.

I don't have to explain any of that, I don't make the game and we don't know what shd will give them on release.

I'm just pointing out the math. 8 HROTHGAR hair styles that can have things added to them for a total of 16 hair appearnaces, just like Viera. Neither has shown a single member to have a shared hair style yet and both were held from glasses at the same time. They have both always been said to have "unique heads".

Maybe when the expansion comes out we will find that HROTHGAR can change faces. Maybe both get all the hairs but they divide their version of the hairs amoung the different faces or mimic them with the features tab? Maybe this is it for both, Who knows.

What you need to ask is why does Viera only have this many options and a unique hair feature if they're gonna have more than HROTHGAR in the future. If you think there's more to that then assume there's more to HROTHGAR to is what I'm saying.

But it doesn't feel like sixteen hairstyles because you can't have each of them for every face. .

Doesn't really matter what it feels like to you, the math doesn't lie. 16 for the men race and 16 for the women. Men are given unique fur pattern options but no highlights, women are given highlight changing versions of their hair, both things no other race has. If there's more to come we'll see but yeah, they're very much even Stevens right now

[reivaxe]

Seems like this is turning out to be another case of male viera ... As in people not taking something at face value and convincing themselves they will get something that wasn't shown just cause it wasn't spelt out to them directly by yoshi.

It's really simple, this is what we have now. If you think viera will get more on release then you should probably assume the same for the other. If you think this is all there is for HROTHGAR then apply the same to Viera.

[Dalmacus]

Seems like this is turning out to be another case of male viera ... As in people not taking something at face value and convincing themselves they will get something that wasn't shown just cause it wasn't spelt out to them directly by yoshi.

I think it's called using your head to think logically. Tell me, in all these 5 years of FFXIV when has SQEX treat their customers like crap as in you bought a mogstation item and in this case when you can't use it anymore SQEX just go aww too bad? I'm pretty sure yoshida and his dev team has treated us pretty well if not more than other companies out there. Likewise what you have said can be redirected back to you since all you're doing is just speculating too neither yoshida nor the dev team has come out and said that this are the only options this 2 races get so why are you so adamant about this?