Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[Alleo]

There's a difference between skepticism and cynicism.

Here, lets put this in context ...

Yoshi has been nothing but transparent with the development of these 2 races after reveal. Because of him we know that both races were only able to reach a presentable state shortly before their reveals (explains why all the Viera had face 1 and why the Hrothgar had the crappy lighting and filters to cover up the poor texture work at that stage). We know why they were added , we know his thoughts on bringing in yet another handsome race with different ears and we know why they decided to release 1 gender for each race. He's painted a very clear picture of what lead to this.

Lets not forget that they have waited to tell us about genderlocks until the last fanfest, even saying nothing much when directly asked about male Viera afterwards. (And of course this falls into a time when people already preordered) Which then made it even worse for quite some people when they revealed Hrothgar. Instead of telling us directly at the female Viera reveal that the males wont happen but there is something else in return, they decided to stay quiet about it until the last one. Then they told us about the restriction with the headgear but didnt tell us about the limits with their hair. So no they were not fully transparent with it after the race reveal, otherwise they would have told us that they are restricted in that department too. Only after the release of the benchmark did people notice this and we only got the info (if I remember it correctly) because someone asked him about this in an interview. So would they have told us before release? These points alone should make it quite clear why people remain skeptic..on top of that they have changed their opinion on certain promised or talked about topics in the past..so for me I will remain skeptic until they fulfill it and only will praise them for that if they really give the race a lot of more options and make it possible with ingame means to get there.

On top of all of that people just dislike the limitation itself, which is why some of us are still disappointed even if more are coming..because it will probably be always less then other races have and may mean that other races will get less too because we already got less hairstyles over the last expansion..So no matter how transparent they are (or not), people are still allowed to dislike the choice.

I'm gonna call that fake news. Unless you have an evidence to back that claim. There is no clarification from the devs that those from potd/mogstation will be usable or unusable. All yoshi-p stated was hrothgar will get it's unique customization and viera will get some but not all and in no way did he confirmed that potd/mogstation/achievement hairstyles is confirmed to be included either. I know this because i translated part of the E3 information on reddit.

I do wonder what they will do with the paid hair or those that won it..they have hinted that Viera might get at least all those hair that fit them but Hrothgar truly sounded like they would only get their own styles..I really fear that this limitation (especially if you cant change their hair later ingame) might turn away people from the race. Beastial races are often not that much played and something like that could decrease it even further. I just hope that if the numbers are low, that this does not mean that we wont get the female version of it. :/

[Dalmacus]

I do wonder what they will do with the paid hair or those that won it..they have hinted that Viera might get at least all those hair that fit them but Hrothgar truly sounded like they would only get their own styles..I really fear that this limitation (especially if you cant change their hair later ingame) might turn away people from the race. Beastial races are often not that much played and something like that could decrease it even further. I just hope that if the numbers are low, that this does not mean that we wont get the female version of it. :/

We have no idea as there is a lack of information atm on what will be on and what will not be on for hairstyles on the 2 new races. Most of the people are just speculating these and that but we don't know what yoshi-p's plan on doing with them come 5.0 or beyond.

[reivaxe]

Lets not forget that they have waited to tell us about genderlocks until the last fanfest, even saying nothing much when directly asked about male Viera afterwards. (And of course this falls into a time when people already preordered) Which then made it even worse for quite some people when they revealed Hrothgar.

Can't really fault them for that. They wanted to hold the reveal of Hrothgar so they said things that hinted at something would be revealed for people who play males in the upcoming fanfest.
Coulda been handled better and he says that they will learn from that going forward.
Kind of a shit position to be in. Either hold Viera reveal for the JPN fanfest and reveal them at the same time, making people think "Heey, they saved all the good stuff for Japan" or spoil the reveal of Hrothgar. There's a line between that and they didn't hit it perfectly.

Instead of telling us directly at the female Viera reveal that the males wont happen but there is something else in return, they decided to stay quiet about it until the last one. Then they told us about the restriction with the headgear but didnt tell us about the limits with their hair. So no they were not fully transparent with it after the race reveal, otherwise they would have told us that they are restricted in that department too.

You do realize that they didn't have a press release telling us about the head gear, right? Someone asked how headgear would work on these unique head having races in an interview and Yoshi answered it plainly, stating there would be none on release and bit-by-bit they would make some compatible over time. No lies or half truths.
I see no reason to think they wouldn't have told us about hair had the someone interviewing them actually asked about it at any time before now.

Being transparent doesn't mean you have to offer up every bit of information unprompted, it means you're open and honest. Post reveal they've been nothing but open with sharing information about the new races when asked about it.. Hell, I think everything we KNOW about the development of the races came from interviews.

On top of all of that people just dislike the limitation itself, which is why some of us are still disappointed even if more are coming..because it will probably be always less then other races have and may mean that other races will get less too because we already got less hairstyles over the last expansion..So no matter how transparent they are (or not), people are still allowed to dislike the choice.

Oh, I think there's a basic misunderstanding here.

Idga* about you liking the choice to have their hair tied to their face or not. But for us all to read the same answer to this question and for some (who aren't happy with the very concept) to try brush off the news or take it as a straight up lie to down play it for others ... that is just non-sense. It's cynicism for the purpose of spreading your negativity.

If you're someone who accepted this choice/ is fine with this choice / doesn't think this choice is the end of the world then this is good news for you. You get confirmation of more options to come. That's not a spin lol
If you're not a fan of the design choice OK, doesn't mean you gotta cry doom and gloom over everything said about it and act like these words can't be trusted for what they are just to rewrite the situation to spread your out look.


Let's make something clear, I don't think anyone prefers this to being able to swap hair styles freely. I don't. But I also know it's not the end of the world so I'm OK with it and I don't ignore the unique freedoms this race already has (Fur and patterns. VASTLY different face features) in favor of acting like they're lacking in that regard. I've already made more than one I'm very happy with and hearing there's gonna be more options to come is nothing but good news.

So yeah, you can stay salty if you want. But when you act like we're being lied to just cause you're not happy that's a ... silly problem.

My point is that the 400-500 headgear adjustment to new races were only started when the Japanese community strongly gave feedback to the devs asking them to do something about it. Information, if you find it pointless, each his/her own i guess.

Gonna spoiler this cause these post are hella long eyesores.

[Spoiler]
It's information, the context is completely unknown to me though.

Maybe you should read your own statement before refuting me.

I've made it clear that post wasn't directed wholly at your post, if you still take it personally then so be it.

He literally said in his video "A lot of people might get the wrong impression here that i hate the hrothgar for some reason or something with how much i don't like it's creation here and that's simply just not the case, let me set that record straight."
So what you are doing is, spun his opinion to suit your agenda and trying to public slander him here or something?

LMAO, I'm talking about this.
You know, the lines right before he said what you quoted. He's faulting Hrothgar for having the same CC limits as every other race in regards to face tattoos or face features being "baked into the face". As I said, tattoos and face features are locked to the face for all races which he apparently doesn't realize. Also doesn't realize that sometimes "tattoos" aren't actual tattoos. Shows that he does have a clear lack of understanding of this game's CC with lil interest in analyzing it. He then uses it as a spring board to get defensive over people giving him heat for not playing males (as if he's insecure about that), completely disregards their unique identifying features and so on until he comes to the conclusion that the race was "rushed" and he would have preferred Male Viera.

Not spinning anything, just used him and legit things said by him as an example of what I see here.(I don't even personally fault most for this, it can be hard to tell just how much diversity or effort been put into character models when you can only see them in a few outfits and not in the wilds of a game like this.)
I mean ... what you quoted means nothing if the reasoning he gives makes no sense. It's like the classic line "I'm not racist but..."

If you can't really see that IDK what to tell you.
Best to move on.

I'm gonna call that fake news. Unless you have an evidence to back that claim. There is no clarification from the devs that those from potd/mogstation will be usable or unusable. All yoshi-p stated was hrothgar will get it's unique customization and viera will get some but not all and in no way did he confirmed that potd/mogstation/achievement hairstyles is confirmed to be included either. I know this because i translated part of the E3 information on reddit.

We have SOME clarification on the state of things. We at least now know that Viera wont get all the shared hair/ only get "some" and we know Hrothgar will get more Hrothgar hairs and faces.

We don't have all the answers but more than we had before. [/Spoiler]

[Dalmacus]

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I've made it clear that post wasn't directed wholly at your post, if you still take it personally then so be it.

Your original statement did not state that and that is why i say please read your own statement before refuting. If you want to play the victim game so be it. I'm moving on.

LMAO, I'm talking about this.

Like i stated in my previous comment, i'm not here to discuss meoni with you here go take it up with him if you need clarification.

We have SOME clarification on the state of things. We at least now know that Viera wont get all the shared hair/ only get "some" and we know Hrothgar will get more Hrothgar hairs and faces.

Do you even realize how vague that is? Yoshi-p has said that viera will get some hairstyle but he did not go into details to even state "shared hair" so i don't know where you are getting your source from.

[Alleo]

You do realize that they didn't have a press release telling us about the head gear, right? Someone asked how headgear would work on these unique head having races in an interview and Yoshi answered it plainly, stating there would be none on release and bit-by-bit they would make some compatible over time. No lies or half truths.
I see no reason to think they wouldn't have told us about hair had the someone interviewing them actually asked about it at any time before now.

Wait the headgear was interview only too? Wow..Transparent for me means that they are not only showing us the new race but at least use the liveletter afterwards to talk about some of its limitation which includes the headgear and especially the hair. Could you imagine how it would have been if they introduced us to Blue mage but did not mention that its a limited job, do not talk about it in the next liveletter and only tell us about this in an interview? If you introduce such limitations then talk about it.

Idga* about you liking the choice to have their hair tied to their face or not. But for us all to read the same answer to this question and for some (who aren't happy with the very concept) to try brush off the news or take it as a straight up lie to down play it for others ... that is just non-sense. It's cynicism for the purpose of spreading your negativity.

If you're someone who accepted this choice/ is fine with this choice / doesn't think this choice is the end of the world then this is good news for you. You get confirmation of more options to come. That's not a spin lol
If you're not a fan of the design choice OK, doesn't mean you gotta cry doom and gloom over everything said about it and act like these words can't be trusted for what they are just to rewrite the situation to spread your out look.

And I never said that they 100% must be lying. This was brought up by you after I posted that people should remain skepticable about "when" it happens and "how many" we will get. Then I used examples of stuff that changed over time which includes stuff that never happend. But that does not mean that they are always lying but it also does not mean that I trust every word he says.

And again I never said that people cant be happy about this, I just pointed out that them telling us this right now does not say much about how it will happen and that the limitation will still exist no matter what. In turn you have decided to call me entitled, cynical, even asked me why I still play the game..honestly seeing your answers to this thread it reads way more as you not wanting people to dislike this and that we should just be happy that something might come in the future, even if that does not change the problem itself. And to that I say: No, I am not happy about this, because it will remain a limitation and I find it bad. If that is already doom and gloom, then I honestly dont care.

[Khavir]

Your original statement did not state that and that is why i say please read your own statement before refuting. If you want to play the victim game so be it. I'm moving on.



Like i stated in my previous comment, i'm not here to discuss meoni with you here go take it up with him if you need clarification.



Do you even realize how vague that is? Yoshi-p has said that viera will get some hairstyle but he did not go into details to even state "shared hair" so i don't know where you are getting your source from.

Imagine getting this offended about hair. Some of the people in the community to need to go out more.

[kidalutz]

Imagine getting this offended about hair. Some of the people in the community to need to go out more.

I sincerely doubt most of these complaints would even be a thing if everyone had something to do.

[YatoShishi]

Imagine getting this offended about hair. Some of the people in the community to need to go out more.

Im not sure if most are "offended" - in my case, I paid RL money for some hairstyles and well, ofc I want be able to use them. Or other ones that were a pain to grind, it would be shame not be able to use them. However, next week we all will know more and I think that sooner or later we (hopefully) will get them back ^^ If i cant use all "normal" hairstyles so be it, but atleast the ones I paid for would be nice.

[Fredco191]

Honestly. I kind of trust them to make more hairstyles/faces for the Hrothgar. There's a guy in their promotional photo that has a hairstyle that I don't think player Hroths can have currently:

[Dalmacus]

Imagine getting this offended about hair. Some of the people in the community to need to go out more.

Err, i'm not offended by the hair? Way to quote me without understanding the context? Thanks i guess?