Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[Penthea]

Cool, well you enjoy complaining and I'm going to go and enjoy Hrothgar. I prefer having a positive outlook that things will only improve over time.

Wow thanks for the stab. If you dislike the complaining I suggest you stay away from threads like this.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Wow thanks for the stab. If you dislike the complaining I suggest you stay away from threads like this.

No stab intended. I'm allowed to share my opinion just like you are.

[Alleo]

It's really not as dire as you're making it out to be.

1- The Hrothgar race currently has 16 hair styles just like the Viera (8 unique hair styles and each face has an option to enhance that hairstyle, like like the Viera's 8 unique and 8 bang versions)
2- We have straight up confirmation from Yoshi that we will be getting new Hrothgar only hair post 5.0 release (and it seems like he's saying we can expect new faces as well). Like, he points out how they're prepared already to make the new hair and faces.
3- Hrothgar's hair is actually way more simple than the other races because it's made to look beast like. There's no highlights, it's mostly large sections of hair, not nearly as neat or detailed as other hairs and it will never have to fit other faces/ races. I see no reason to think they will only get a few.

What I predict ...

1. So as a Hrothgar I can chose the face I want and then choose from the 16 manes? Because you are saying that they have that many but in the end it comes down to two per face. You simply cant choose another hairstyle if you want x face so its not true that someone has the same amount as the Viera. Viera at least can choose one face and then 16 hairstyles, even though its only 8 unique ones. That is a huge difference.

2. Yoshida also said that we would get certain egis before the expansion and we never got them, or introduced us to carbuncle glamour but nothing more since then. Just because he says something does not mean that it will happen fast and it does not tell us the amount we get. Maybe at the end of the expansion they will get another face with one unique mane and one variety. Or maybe we get one per patch. But seeing how we get less hairstyles over time I doubt it. I also wonder if they would then give each face that mane or if they truly introduce another new face each time..or if only one current face will get it..

3. And how many can they give us that will still look like manes? I can understand that they wanted the race to look a certain way but they simply could have given us these as racial styles and add other hairstyles on top of that.

For Vieras it really sounded like there are quite a bit of styles that dont fit, but I honestly dont see many of them that outright would look weird and really hope that we got most of them. But in the end its still bad, especially for Hrothgar players, to lose access to paid hairstyles..or those that can only be won in competitions.

@Iscah: Of course there will be some that might not change their style much, but glamour (including hair) is a important part of the game and people love to change to new hair with a new patch..if Hrothgars only get them through the faces and have to pay for this, that means that everyone else can change into their reward for free while they have to pay rl money..that does seem quite unfair. Heck they might not even get rewards and any hair will be useless to them.

Right, but we don't know how that will expand in the future. It sounds like they plan to add more manes to them, whether it's locked to a face or not, we don't know yet. I just don't see the point in being negative about something that has unknown factors. As for how they are right now, I can easily make many options I enjoy, so I'm happy. Hopefully you get something to be happy about too.

They would have to change the whole customization for them if they want to do something else in the future. Right now Hrothgar has no part for hair alone, this is overtaken by fur. They would probably have to code it differently if they wanted to have both in that category and I am not sure if their system would make it possible to have face + hair seperate in the same category. People are negative about this because even with more manes in the future, they have made the choice to lock them to faces, and since they never changed the Au Ra horn problem we just doubt that they would change that, because it would be quite the work.

New manes in the future can mean one per patch, or even just one per expansion. It also does not change the problem that you still have only a limited amount of options (and they would need huge amounts of new mane for every face to make it even a bit fair) and cant use hair that you paid for.

Its fine if you dont see a problem for this, but if we dont complain now they might never try to change it at all.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

2. Yoshida also said that we would get certain egis before the expansion and we never got them, or introduced us to carbuncle glamour but nothing more since then. Just because he says something does not mean that it will happen fast and it does not tell us the amount we get. Maybe at the end of the expansion they will get another face with one unique mane and one variety. Or maybe we get one per patch. But seeing how we get less hairstyles over time I doubt it.

Then by this logic we should just go tell the male viera and female Hrothgar people that they'll never get those genders. Yoshida didn't even say those were on the table right now, but something that he has confirmed that they will work on is suddenly not plausible? Strange logic there.

[zeylos]

Then by this logic we should just go tell the male viera and female Hrothgar people that they'll never get those genders. Yoshida didn't even say those were on the table right now, but something that he has confirmed that they will work on is suddenly not plausible? Strange logic there.

Read their post twice.
They arent't saying you won't get new faces, just that we are unsure, and we don't know when you'll get them, just as we are unsure about if we'll get femhrot and maleviera, and even though it's quite likely, we have no idea when. It could be a surprise release on 5.1 or they could release it as a selling point of 13.0, and there's obviously a chance that they simply won't release them

[reivaxe]

I'm honestly really puzzled by people who are trying to spin the hrothgar head customisation state into something positive..

I'm on my phone so sorry if I double post but I got a lol down time so Imma speak.

No, no ones spining the situation as a good thing. If course it's more preferred to have a system were we pick our hair between faces like any other race. But they made it clear that they are making this a wholey unique, different race with different rules and ways to customize them. I accept this, they have things other races don't and it goes the other way around.

Now, this NEWS is a net positive though. A flat out confirmation that yes, they plan to make more hrothgar hair and faces post release? How is this not a good thing? No spin needed.

"But what if I want this hair or face feature on that face?! This is limitation!"

This is ff14 ... The cc is hella limiting for everyone. I play Femroe. The face I use doesn't have the cool scar I like and the option it does have is one I don't like much. These are just things I've learned to accept about this game.

I know we live in an age of outrage culture with today's youth but it's not all doom.

The choice was made to do this with their hair but what they gave em is great and allows for some amazing things no race has had before.

1. So as a Hrothgar I can chose the face I want and then choose from the 16 manes?

No, as a hrothgar your race would have 16 hair styles that are divided up between different faces.

You may have a problem with that but that doesn't change the number.

2. Yoshida also said that we would get certain egis before the expansion and we never got them

Ok, so why bother talking about anything if you don't trust the man behind the game? If we can't agree to take what he says at face value then what's the point? Do you also assume he's lying about Viera and they will spend all of shb with what they have now?

Or do you think CC for new races that he claims the team is ready to do rn is a thing far more important than an egi glam?

Like, what benefit is there to saying he could be lying about the good news we've gotten from him?

3. And how many can they give us that will still look like manes?

What does this even mean? Yoshi says they're getting hrothgar only hairstyles that are meant to push the role of a beast ... Many of their current hairs don't look like "manes" in the traditional sense but get that across.

[Alleo]

Then by this logic we should just go tell the male viera and female Hrothgar people that they'll never get those genders. Yoshida didn't even say those were on the table right now, but something that he has confirmed that they will work on is suddenly not plausible? Strange logic there.

I am saying that just because he is telling us that we might get more does not mean that we will get it soon or that we get many of that. Its just simply a small promise but nothing of detail behind it. I am not saying that we dont get any at all...

The reason why people are still posting about male Viera and female Hrothgar is because he simply did not promise us anything, just that they will look into this. Thus people want to keep it on their radar to show their want for it.

No, as a hrothgar your race would have 16 hair styles that are divided up between different faces.

You may have a problem with that but that doesn't change the number.


Ok, so why bother talking about anything if you don't trust the man behind the game? If we can't agree to take what he says at face value then what's the point? Do you also assume he's lying about Viera and they will spend all of shb with what they have now?

Or do you think CC for new races that he claims the team is ready to do rn is a thing far more important than an egi glam?

Like, what benefit is there to saying he could be lying about the good news we've gotten from him?

Its just simply bad in my opinion to say that they have the same options as other races because its not true. You can try and spin it into something positive but its not. Lets view it like that: You want to create one new character: If you choose a female Viera you can choose the face you want and then later choose from 8 unique hairstyles or 8 similiar ones. If you go and create a Hrothgar and choose one face you have one hairstyle for it and one variation for that. There is simply no way to have a face and choose the style you like, you are stuck with it. They are restricted in the hair department when other races are not.

I am not saying that he is lying about everything or that we should never trust his words. But its the sad truth that there has been stuff in the past that we never got even when they talked about it, or that were changed (like the housing timer part), so I just pointed out that him saying something does not mean it will happen like we want. Thats just how business work. He might be passionate about this project but he is still the face of a company and we do know that they are not always completely truthful to us or tell us things that we want to hear so that people might be less angry.

In this case he simply said that we will get more later. He never says how many and when. So if we only get one new mane at the end of the next expansion then he is still true to his words, but I am not sure if people would truly be happy about this. That is just the whole point of that post. That we simply cant say if they get much.

About the manes: He wanted them to have a certain look. But how much can you do keep it that way? How many manes will we get that thanks to that restriction will look too similiar?

[Fredco191]

Honestly. I think they should have at the very least unlocked hairstyles from faces. I wouldn’t mind the limited hair choices as much if that were the case.

[reivaxe]

I am saying that just because he is telling us that we might get more does not mean that we will get it soon or that we get many of that. Its just simply a small promise but nothing of detail behind it. I am not saying that we dont get any at all...

The reason why people are still posting about male Viera and female Hrothgar is because he simply did not promise us anything, just that they will look into this. Thus people want to keep it on their radar to show their want for it.

He said this ...

"We will be introducing more hair styles for Hrothgar, but those will be to strengthen the image or the roll playing of a “beast” so those will be only for Hrothgar. Please look at it as a race that is different from the existing ones from the base concept.

Q: That means there will be new face patterns as well…?

Yoshida: “We probably have to do that” so we are prepared, but I told our team that we will release 5.0 first so that will come at some time in the future *laugh*

Q: *laugh* So we can expect new patterns at some point after the release of “Shadowbringers”?

Yoshida: Yes. To phrase it differently, we had to make up our minds on that in order to achieve what we wanted to with the Hrothgar "

This is not a "maybe". This is not like Male Viera or female Hrothgar where he basically said "MAYBE if we can overcome the many hurdles that stop us from doing it then perhaps you will see them in some manner" aka the most polite way of saying No without saying No imo.

No ... this is him saying "Yes, this is something we will do after we get ShB released. In order to get them out how we wanted we had to decide to do it this way"

That is good news.

"But we don't know WHEN or how many!"

So? I should be upset that they didn't detail out their planned progress on these additions to us beyond "Sometime after 5.0 releases"? For a game with many planned updates that updates often?

Its just simply bad in my opinion to say that they have the same options as other races because its not true.

LMAO, I have legit been saying that they have DIFFERENT options than other races. Like Yoshi said, they should be considered different from any other race on the very base concept. They can be given 32 hair styles, but by the very nature of how they work that could be spread out between the 4 we have or between 8 brand new heads and you still simply wont be happy with it.

You can try and spin it into something positive but its not.

Yoshi: We will bring out new Hrothgar only hairstyles and faces after the release of 5.0!

Me: This is good! We will be given more options for this unique and awesome race.

You: This is NOT something positive...!

Like ... do you know what spinning is?

Lets view it like that: You want to create one new character: If you choose a female Viera you can choose the face you want and then later choose from 8 unique hairstyles or 8 similiar ones. If you go and create a Hrothgar and choose one face you have one hairstyle for it and one variation for that. There is simply no way to have a face and choose the style you like, you are stuck with it. They are restricted in the hair department when other races are not.

We have no clue how they will go about allowing you to change hair yet. This is uncharted waters, so perhaps Hrothgar (as part of being a completely different race from the base concept) will have the ability to change faces. Or maybe not and SE will demand money for that. Or maybe you can change between hairs just for that face. We'll find out in a few days.

But yeah, they clearly have a hair restriction as it's linked to faces. They also have the ability to chance the color and pattern of the fur on their bodies (something I'd say is slept on by far too many). They are a completely different race with different and unique options.

I am not saying that he is lying about everything or that we should never trust his words. But its the sad truth that there has been stuff in the past that we never got even when they talked about it, or that were changed (like the housing timer part), so I just pointed out that him saying something does not mean it will happen like we want. Thats just how business work. He might be passionate about this project but he is still the face of a company and we do know that they are not always completely truthful to us or tell us things that we want to hear so that people might be less angry.

Then what is your point?

That we should stay upset for the possibility that he may be lying? That we should be upset that they didn't give us COLD HARD NUMBERS! "How many hairstyles and faces? How long will we have to wait!?"
With this level of cynicism for the man I find it hard to believe you enjoy this game or discussing anything about it.

Seems like you just want people to be as upset as you sooooo you try to point out why this news (from the one interview where he addresses this topic) shouldn't be trusted or give people some relief just so that your feelings or negativity stay valid.

In this case he simply said that we will get more later. He never says how many and when. So if we only get one new mane at the end of the next expansion then he is still true to his words, but I am not sure if people would truly be happy about this. That is just the whole point of that post. That we simply cant say if they get much.

That's just the most weirdly pessimistic (and frankly ... entitled) stance on this.

He doesn't need to tell us all the details, we'll find out when we do. Not knowing all the details is not a good reason to think nothing of his comments on the matter or the worse possible outcome.

Like the comment about Viera. What if "Some" means they get 2 hair styles at the end of the expansion and that's it? You see how strange that sounds?

Sounds like you just really something to complain about to me.

About the manes: He wanted them to have a certain look. But how much can you do keep it that way? How many manes will we get that thanks to that restriction will look too similiar?

There's probably countless ways to make wild looking man hair that work on animal faces. They can even give em dreads ... I do not see your point :/

[Dalmacus]

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Then what is your point?

That we should stay upset for the possibility that he may be lying? That we should be upset that they didn't give us COLD HARD NUMBERS! "How many hairstyles and faces? How long will we have to wait!?"
With this level of cynicism for the man I find it hard to believe you enjoy this game or discussing anything about it.

Seems like you just want people to be as upset as you sooooo you try to point out why this news (from the one interview where he addresses this topic) shouldn't be trusted or give people some relief just so that your feelings or negativity stay valid.

That's just the most weirdly pessimistic (and frankly ... entitled) stance on this.

It's not about being upset or entitled but staying skeptical until said stuff is delivered. Why are people feeling this way? It's because this is the first time for FF14 veteran players that the 2 new races have such "unique" design choices to it. No headgear that covers the entire head will be shown and not all of hairstyles will be available and etc.

Veteran players who commented on such and such only has the au'ra as the point of reference to draw from. Au'ra was delivered with everything included so everyone will expect that they do the same for future or upcoming races. I mean come on 6 years of content and hairstyles that people has put in effort to get and now all of the sudden the new races "won't have them"(subject to change) or not at release, how do you think people will react? Personally i will adopt the wait and see then complain stance.