Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

It's really not as dire as you're making it out to be.

1- The Hrothgar race currently has 16 hair styles just like the Viera (8 unique hair styles and each face has an option to enhance that hairstyle, like like the Viera's 8 unique and 8 bang versions)
2- We have straight up confirmation from Yoshi that we will be getting new Hrothgar only hair post 5.0 release (and it seems like he's saying we can expect new faces as well). Like, he points out how they're prepared already to make the new hair and faces.
3- Hrothgar's hair is actually way more simple than the other races because it's made to look beast like. There's no highlights, it's mostly large sections of hair, not nearly as neat or detailed as other hairs and it will never have to fit other faces/ races. I see no reason to think they will only get a few.

What I predict ...

SE could make like 24 new styles (like 3 for each face and their face feature add on) but people will still not think it's as much as it is cause of the very nature of it being connected to faces. Cause that's exactly how things are rn.

Anyway, I'm much more interested in how Hrothgar will be changing hair (would SE make us pay money for a face change even if it's just to change the hair style? I don't think so personally, will find out soon enough I guess) and how exactly new hair will be added. Will they just add new faces with 2 unique hairs each and just give us everything from Mountain lion to saber tooth tiger to jackals and hyenas? Will they add hair that all the faces can use or would it be unique to each face like it is now? Would they be willing to translate current and future unlock hairs into unique fur patterns so that we still have reason to care about them? The patterns are legit just textures so it's not like it requires modeling.

As for Viera it's pretty much how I assumed things would be handled. They have never had to think about a race with it's ears on the top of it's skull before so logically there's some styles that just wont be able to work around that. How many they will get? No clue, we only know "some". I personally assume that in the end that number will also be matched in Hrothgar's hair count.

I'm so stoked to play Hrothgar. The expansion can't come soon enough. And Yoshi P confirming that we'll be seeing Hrothgar only hair released in the future only makes my more excited to see how this race evolves and unfolds over time.

[Penthea]

I'm honestly really puzzled by people who are trying to spin the hrothgar head customisation state into something positive. Sorry but I fail to see the upside of having hair styles locked to faces. Everyone would have more choice if the hair was unlocked, even if the amount of faces and hairstyles remained the same.

I'm fine with SE wanting to maintain some measure of lore accuracy by limiting what races have access to certain hairstyles. But I seriously doubt there are lore reasons for certain hairstyles being paired with only certain faces.

It's simply unnecessarily restrictive design and it's so difficult to understand why it was introduced when it's a well known fact that the playerbase dislikes au ra horns being locked to faces. SE already had a point of reference to see how the players would feel about something like this, and managed to not only fail to take it into account but also make a worse version of the au ra horn restriction.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I'm honestly really puzzled by people who are trying to spin the hrothgar head customisation state into something positive. Sorry but I fail to see the upside of having hair styles locked to faces. Everyone would have more choice if the hair was unlocked, even if the amount of faces and hairstyles remained the same.

I'm fine with SE wanting to maintain some measure of lore accuracy by limiting what races have access to certain hairstyles. But I seriously doubt there are lore reasons for certain hairstyles being paired with only certain faces.

It's simply unnecessarily restrictive design and it's so difficult to understand why it was introduced when it's a well known fact that the playerbase dislikes au ra horns being locked to faces. SE already had a point of reference to see how the players would feel about something like this, and managed to not only fail to take it into account but also make a worse version of the au ra horn restriction.

Although it's starting off this way, it sounds like they have plans to expand Hrothgar with race exclusive customization, such as more hairstyles and faces. Considering they confirmed Hrothgar will be getting their own styles in the future, I don't see a reason to be so doom and gloom about them. I'm excited to play the race, and I will remain as such. I will also remain excited about their planned character customization expansions.

[Penthea]

Although it's starting off this way, it sounds like they have plans to expand Hrothgar with race exclusive customization, such as more hairstyles and faces.

I don't feel it makes up for locking hair to faces. It only makes up for not having access to the race-unlocked hairstyles, which is actually most hairstyles in the game.

Considering they confirmed Hrothgar will be getting their own styles in the future, I don't see a reason to be so doom and gloom about them.

I do because there will be players complaining about how on every other race they can pair any available hair to whatever face they want, but they can't on hrothgar. So they're forced to choose between hair and face, rather than having the choice to have both. Players already complain about au ra horns being locked to faces. This is worse.

I'm excited to play the race, and I will remain as such. I will also remain excited about their planned character customization expansions.

Good for you. But I doubt you would be less excited if hair was unlocked from faces. Which is basically my point. There is no gain from locking hair to faces, only loss.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I don't feel it makes up for locking hair to faces. It only makes up for not having access to the race-unlocked hairstyles, which is actually most hairstyles in the game.



I do because there will be players complaining about how on every other race they can pair any available hair to whatever face they want, but they can't on hrothgar. So they're forced to choose between hair and face, rather than having the choice to have both. Players already complain about au ra horns being locked to faces. This is worse.



Good for you. But I doubt you would be less excited if hair was unlocked from faces. Which is basically my point. There is no gain from locking hair to faces, only loss.

Cool, well you enjoy complaining and I'm going to go and enjoy Hrothgar. I prefer having a positive outlook that things will only improve over time.

[Dalmacus]

Cool, well you enjoy complaining and I'm going to go and enjoy Hrothgar. I prefer having a positive outlook that things will only improve over time.

The thing about hrothgar is what if i wanted a certain face and a certain hair to go with instead of being forced a hairstyle i wanted but not the face. This isn't customization, it's limitation.

[Penthea]

Cool, well you enjoy complaining and I'm going to go and enjoy Hrothgar. I prefer having a positive outlook that things will only improve over time.

Wow thanks for the stab. If you dislike the complaining I suggest you stay away from threads like this.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

The thing about hrothgar is what if i wanted a certain face and a certain hair to go with instead of being forced a hairstyle i wanted but not the face. This isn't customization, it's limitation.

Right, but we don't know how that will expand in the future. It sounds like they plan to add more manes to them, whether it's locked to a face or not, we don't know yet. I just don't see the point in being negative about something that has unknown factors. As for how they are right now, I can easily make many options I enjoy, so I'm happy. Hopefully you get something to be happy about too.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Wow thanks for the stab. If you dislike the complaining I suggest you stay away from threads like this.

No stab intended. I'm allowed to share my opinion just like you are.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

2. Yoshida also said that we would get certain egis before the expansion and we never got them, or introduced us to carbuncle glamour but nothing more since then. Just because he says something does not mean that it will happen fast and it does not tell us the amount we get. Maybe at the end of the expansion they will get another face with one unique mane and one variety. Or maybe we get one per patch. But seeing how we get less hairstyles over time I doubt it.

Then by this logic we should just go tell the male viera and female Hrothgar people that they'll never get those genders. Yoshida didn't even say those were on the table right now, but something that he has confirmed that they will work on is suddenly not plausible? Strange logic there.