Hairstyle Concerns for The New Races

[AnnaRosa]

Honestly it is only fair we get one like this:

[Seraphor]

Proof ? Hrothgar aren't even released yet with not testable means to show all types of armor on them. According to what we have now, yes the body will be covered most of the time. That is the design, unless you glamour the Emporer set / purposely choose some of the very few glamours where body markings/fur colour will show. If a feature causes you to restrict your clothing in order to 'feature' it, then it's a downside.



No, don't misread the conversation. I said markings and body fur color are a downside because they will inherently be hidden, according to what current armor sets are available and how they are handled (which is usually fully covering the body).



The default here is when we put on some Omega gear, it's covering the entire body. Most armours by default cover the entire body. Most people are not going to go around wearing Hrothgar racial gear for the entirety of their gameplay.

How about:
If you want to show off the body, you'll wear gear that shows it off, and if you don't, you'll wear gear that covers it?
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

If anything, ask for more revealing armour options.

[Penthea]

How about:
If you want to show off the body, you'll wear gear that shows it off, and if you don't, you'll wear gear that covers it?
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

If anything, ask for more revealing armour options.

You're missing the point. The amount of revealing chest-gear wearable by males in the game is small. On top of that the chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of gear sets. For example you're not going to look like a whm without the robe, but you still can without the hat. This is why having fur options isn't comparable to having hair options even if the amount of options is the same. You rarely radically change a gear set if you hide the hat, but you often do if you hide or change the chest piece. Not even the lvl 80 job gear takes the fur patterns into account. Most of the chest pieces hide them.

And this is why giving hrothgar fur options instead of more hairstyles isn't good, because showing the fur patterns would often force you into a far smaller selection of glam gear that will potentially make your gear set unrecognisable. While a hrothgar's head, that will almost always be displayed anyway due to how gear is designed, will have less options for hairstyles.

It's not really fair that for hrothgar players to show off more physical individuality that they have to pigeonhole themselves into the above situation, while no other race has to.

And just because we ask for more revealing gear doesn't mean we will get it, and even if we do it won't compare to the amount of gear that covers your whole torso and arms, and it won't change the fact that most of the lvl 80 job gear doesn't allow for the ease of showing off fur patterns.

[Iscah]

On top of that the chest piece tends to be the centre-piece of gear sets. For example you're not going to look like a whm without the robe, but you still can without the hat.

On that particular point, I'd argue that you can look like a white mage by either wearing appropriate robes, or by wearing any outfit in that designated "white with red highlights" colour scheme and carrying a staff. (See: Shisui Swimwear of Healing.)

[Penthea]

On that particular point, I'd argue that you can look like a white mage by either wearing appropriate robes, or by wearing any outfit in that designated "white with red highlights" colour scheme and carrying a staff. (See: Shisui Swimwear of Healing.)

Sure but this doesn't change the fact that it's a tiny choice of gear and that the majority of job gear cannot be worn while also showing off fur patterns. Also whm is lucky that it has two distinct colours associated with it, so you can try to still look like one by maintaining the colour palette. Not so much with the other jobs. At best they have colour types associated with them, and in some cases no specific types of colours at all.

[reivaxe]

This is always such a strange debate to me.

Like, fur patterns are AWESOME! If you want to cover them up then you will and if you want to show off your chest/ shoulder/ arms/ back then you can use gear that does that ... just like how I can grind for a lucky hair drop and wear my hair like that or wear the Eureka Helm over my head because it brings the whole gear set together. You also can't cover your tail no matter what you do so your pattern will always show no matter what.

But they are not a replacement for hair in my book. IMO they are a more than good substitute for highlights though. So I really do expect for "Fur Patterns" to also have hair styles put in that tab. Hair is important, you put time and money into unlocking them and they can often times be the key to a displaying a certain kind of character to the world as they way your character wears their hair says something about the way they carry themselves.
The way they make the Hrothgar hair look (mostly big swatches of relatively simple yet dynamic hair. Their "Manes") really makes me feel like it wouldn't be hard at all to make "Hrothgar versions" of the unlockable hair. The fact of the matter is that having more hair choices really frees people up to expressing their character in unique ways and there's no way to substitute that with just texture changes.

So yeah, Fur patterns are awesome but that doesn't mean they don't need hair options.
And I'm more than sure there's more to this than what we have in the Benchmark for both Viera and Hrothgar.

[LaylaTsarra]

New interview clarifies some of the hairstyle issues.

E3 Famitsu interview with Yoshida (summary)

"Since Hrothgar have hairstyles tied to their character creation options rather than being separately selectable, you will not be able to apply unlockable hairstyles, but they might implement more face types after 5.0. As for Viera, there's some legacy haristyles they'll able to eventually implement, but not all of them. Some of unlockable hairstyles should be supported, others may not be."

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...shida_summary/

[Duskane]

If they are willing to apply more face types sure? That is pretty big ,
I don't expect those to be as frequent as other hair styles added
Bit of a fantasia sucker too

[Terin]

Well as best I can remember, the Au Ra also couldn't access "standard" hairstyles at launch, they were patched-in at a later point. So I wouldn't really worry too much about the Viera, I'm sure they just want to be sure they look *perfect* before officially adding them, instead of risking them looking rushed.

Hrothgar are highly concerning, though. They're built differently enough, I can see where adding hairstyles could be problematic. But they're also clearly *VERY* limited in options; too much so to be usable long-term, I think.

[zeylos]

Well as best I can remember, the Au Ra also couldn't access "standard" hairstyles at launch, they were patched-in at a later point. So I wouldn't really worry too much about the Viera, I'm sure they just want to be sure they look *perfect* before officially adding them, instead of risking them looking rushed.

Hrothgar are highly concerning, though. They're built differently enough, I can see where adding hairstyles could be problematic. But they're also clearly *VERY* limited in options; too much so to be usable long-term, I think.

I believe both male and female au ra had acces to all the hairstyles at that point in the game on benchmark's release