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  1. #61
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    Canadane's Avatar
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    I wish I saw this topic sooner.
    I'm sure someones pointed out that they didn't mean anything in regards to their DPS output right? It was a poorly constructed way of saying that they're all going to have more direct healing, rather than shield healing or what have you. Like everyone gets shields but everyone can just blast some HP at you too.

    If you think there's any excuse to not attempt to DPS during downtime, you need to re-learn your ABCs!
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  2. #62
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    If you think there's any excuse to not attempt to DPS during downtime, you need to re-learn your ABCs!
    That's really going to depend on how the new MP management shakes out.

    In PvP, which has been using the 10k MP system for a while, having MP to spare is not a given. Whether it will be in PvE... we shall see.
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  3. #63
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    Van Arn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    This is going to be a hot mess going forward. They really are sticking to the whole "WHM should have no utility" thing, even though everyone can now effectively heal like a WHM.

    It's like they're blind to the obvious. Now more than ever, WHMs needs something truly unique.
    Now maybe I'm missing something and WHN does have utility, but that definitely would have been something they mentioned in the LL.
    It could just be whm will become the selfish dps healer, if that makes any sense at all. AST and SCH have their party buffs, but WHM might do plenty of damage on its own.

    With how party buffs as a whole are getting nerfed, it's possible things would even out.
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  4. #64
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    Remember that they specifically mentioned a potential benefit of the new instant heal that WHM got as giving you more time to be offensive, as well as stating the black lily is explicitly a DPS resource.

    I'm not too worried about where green DPS stand right now. At least not until Wednesday where we'll get the tooltips.
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  5. #65
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    Ochaco Hitsu
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    I think people misundstand. Dps won't be going away from healers. Pure healer just means more intense heals we will still have to dps otherwise levelling in the world wouldn't we possible
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  6. #66
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    Lina Kirell
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    Honestly if I have a gripe for healers not DPSing, it's not about DPS. It's about not pushing buttons.

    If the fight is 100 sec, GCD is 2.5, then you're expected as a DPS or tank to push 25 GCD. I have a gripe with a healer idling to 7 or 8 GCD because healing is not required all the time. KEEP IT ROLLING.

    Currently in the game, alas, the only way to do that is by DPSing, but if they give a lot more work on the healing part to the point where all 25 GCDs have to be healing / removing debuffs etc... I'm completely fine with it and would have no issue whatsoever with a healer not DPSing. As long as it keeps them busy. There's no f*ing reason for every tank/Dps to be busting their asses off to absolutely max out uptime in every possible way, while healers watch netflix.
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  7. #67
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    Sathona Jun
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    As long as they heal. Seeing Healers high in enmity list and with a dps dead at the same time isnt how it should be xD
    "ress is a dps loss" but u have the ress ensive:
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  8. #68
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    I'll never understand how people are so against simply DPSing a bit during downtime where there is no healing. It doesn't mean you have to DPS constantly, just that DPSing is better than doing absolutely nothing but stare at HP bars for 10s until healing is required again.
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  9. #69
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sathona View Post
    As long as they heal. Seeing Healers high in enmity list and with a dps dead at the same time isnt how it should be xD
    "ress is a dps loss" but u have the ress ensive:
    In the case of WHM, they’re up there in enmity less because of DPS and more because of overhealing, usually...
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    Lorelei Diangelo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    I'll never understand how people are so against simply DPSing a bit during downtime where there is no healing. It doesn't mean you have to DPS constantly, just that DPSing is better than doing absolutely nothing but stare at HP bars for 10s until healing is required again.
    Idk, I'd rather just feel like healing is fun and has a nice flow and interactivity instead of just "DPS while burning all your oGCDs and ignoring Cure/Physick/Benefic as much as you can". It's not really about never wanting to interact with enemy health bars, to me it's more about actual healing feeling like a super simple priority system where you can ignore a pretty big bulk of your mildly interesting abilities in favor of tunneling on the same 2-3 least interesting abilities you have (generic DoT and filler damage spell).

    It feels like a waste of some honestly neat healer spells, tbh (E.Tactics, Synastry, etc - things you hardly use because oGCDs are usually better).
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