Raid DPS Contribution is IMPORTANT

[Veis_Alveare]

Chain is probably still going to stay meta, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY reduce its Crit %(I'm talking down to 5% instead of 15%). As for AST Cards, They said something about roles. We'll have to figure out the typology regarding which cards go where when drawn.

You have to consider Chain outside the context of well-coordinated synergy, though. If they're to be believed there won't be the same level of coordination available to us. We already know brd lost its own passive crit buff and also doesn't benefit from crit in nearly the same way that it once did.

If the meta becomes a few high damage jobs executing their bursts when available (likely with a DNC buffing one of them) Chain won't give best the same value that it does now even if they buffed it's actual numbers.

I agree, cards are a mystery.

[Fyce]

Chain is probably still going to stay meta, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY reduce its Crit %(I'm talking down to 5% instead of 15%). As for AST Cards, They said something about roles. We'll have to figure out the typology regarding which cards go where when drawn. With an even stronger emphasis on single buffing instead of AoE, we need to look at what WHM brings on the 29th when Press Releases happen. The big worry for everyone waiting is that SE didn't actually fix the problem, and instead overtuned AST/SCH comp again since SCH already has more than enough tools to handle just about anything right now.

Secretly, the only thing I hope for is that Shields are in fact a Max HP %(Like 10-15%) instead of a flat number that can mitigate Omega's Savage Delta Attack without Tank LB3 and significant party mitigation.

Don't forget that if crit behave the same way it did in Stormblood, it definitly won't be as good of a stat after Shadowbringer launches. Direct Hit was king at the start of SB for that very reason.
Plus, if we consider TP being gone, Chain and Litany being nerfed, and jobs like Bard not caring about crit anymore, you might very well see SkS/SpS become way better than they were before.

In short, it's quite likely that we might let crit on the side for a few months after ShB's release.

[HyoMinPark]

you might very well see SkS/SpS become way better than they were before.

I personally find this unlikely for any job that has a lot of oGCDs to handle. Purely because of risk of clipping with too much Skill Speed. With the way SkSpeed/SpSpeed work now, it’s likely it’ll remain the same going into ShB; jobs that can favor it will take it and jobs that don’t want it won’t (or they’ll take just enough to hit a certain threshold and then no more).

[MaraD_]

Just make them the BLM of healers.
Give them enough personal DPS to cover the difference of rDPS that AST/SCH brings, and it would be fine.
But if you look at current AST/SCH, they out DPS WHM usually, and bring rDPS on top of that. (Mostly due to oGCD heal options for the other healers being more effective at saving GCDs)

But yeah, the live letter didnt make us think WHM was saved, it just made us think SE really doesnt understand how to balance the healers still.
(Whos idea was it to remove mitigation from WHM, the healer with the most mitigation in the series, and give it to the 2 healers who have rDPS? Hopefully they will properly get shield healing handled right this time, so they can fix DPS next time, if they didnt fix it this time.)

[Axxion]

Setting aside the emphasis on healing for a moment, what (ridiculously) wasn't touched on, was raid DPS contribution.

They're re-thinking dps' synergies with each other and removing type specific damage,
They're re-rethinking healing and emphasizing pure healers,
They're trying to shift away from certain jobs being "locked" in party compositions,

But can we talk about how Scholar and Astrologian still bring significant contributions to the whole party's DPS with both chain and cards (which are both still there) and White Mage still has no party damage utility?!

And while yes, it's possible it just hasn't be revealed yet, I can't see how they can talk about the importance of ALL of the above points, and not this one. This one is crucial in why White Mage is excluded from parties. And no amount of increasing the healing that needs to be done is going to change this. No amount of personal WHM DPS contribution "in exchange" for raid DPS utility is going to change this. No amount of "adjustments" to chain or cards is going to change this, either.


Unless there's a giant reveal still missing, White Mage is still likely to be in the same spot it was for the past two expansions.


"Please trust me."
https://clips.twitch.tv/AbnegateFairWombatDuDudu

i just wanted to say that it sounds like please thrust me. ( i nothing to contribute ;-

[Risvertasashi]

Though I'm rather skeptical of the leaks, what we've seen so far suggests... well, 10% damage reduction for the party is nice and all, but not really a replacement for SCH's 20%+10% and... frankly, I doubt most people will care as long as the other 2 still buff DPS.

[kidalutz]

Setting aside the emphasis on healing for a moment, what (ridiculously) wasn't touched on, was raid DPS contribution.

They're re-thinking dps' synergies with each other and removing type specific damage,
They're re-rethinking healing and emphasizing pure healers,
They're trying to shift away from certain jobs being "locked" in party compositions,

But can we talk about how Scholar and Astrologian still bring significant contributions to the whole party's DPS with both chain and cards (which are both still there) and White Mage still has no party damage utility?!

And while yes, it's possible it just hasn't be revealed yet, I can't see how they can talk about the importance of ALL of the above points, and not this one. This one is crucial in why White Mage is excluded from parties. And no amount of increasing the healing that needs to be done is going to change this. No amount of personal WHM DPS contribution "in exchange" for raid DPS utility is going to change this. No amount of "adjustments" to chain or cards is going to change this, either.


Unless there's a giant reveal still missing, White Mage is still likely to be in the same spot it was for the past two expansions.


"Please trust me."
https://clips.twitch.tv/AbnegateFairWombatDuDudu

I think you're all wrong. WHM/SCH Is still the Healer combo picked for Progression it's once content is on farm that AST is picked over WHM.

[Zolvolt]

I love that people think sch is chosen over whm because of chain alone. Chain could not exist and sch would still be better than whm