why i quit before reaching endgame (feedback from a new player)

[Penthea]

two paths. Its not side content if it gets you to destination.

So you want two games in one.

...just go play a different game instead of demanding SE make a version of the game especially for you.

yeah its like this is a Final Fantasy game or something

I say some of us should head off to the WoW forums and complain that the playable factions are at war in a game with the word "war" in it and that has its roots firmly in faction versus faction play and story.

[Skivvy]

So you want two games in one.

...just go play a different game instead of demanding SE make a version of the game especially for you.

To be that broken record, this is an MMO, and MMOs have to appeal to a lot of various players with various interests. Just because YOU are happy with how the MSQ is handled, it doesn't mean that it can't be improved to be a more enjoyable experience for other players as well.

[Penthea]

To be that broken record, this is an MMO, and MMOs have to appeal to a lot of various players with various interests. Just because YOU currently are happy with how the MSQ is handled, it doesn't mean that it can't be improved to be a more enjoyable experience for other players as well.

And just because someone doesn't like the msq doesn't make it okay to ask for FFXIV to become a different game instead of play something else or take the game for what it is.

I didn't ask for WoW to get a msq or to change its crafting and gathering to be classes and have gear. I went to play something else.

[Skivvy]

And just because someone doesn't like the msq doesn't make it okay to ask for FFXIV to become a different game instead of play something else or take the game for what it is.

I didn't ask for WoW to get a msq or to change its crafting and gathering to be classes and have gear. I went to play something else.

It wouldn't be a different game. There are ways they could still have a very full MSQ, letting it bring players to the various dungeons/trials/zones, but also making parts of it more optional. Perhaps keep the main story plot tied into the required MSQ quests, but then flesh out the story in full in linked mini-MSQ quests. Give them their own special icon to make it obvious. I'm sure there are also other ways they could manage it.

Now, I would guess that if I went through your post history, I could probably find at least one or two items that you've requested to be added/changed/tweaked in this game, right? Or are you trying to say that you are 100% satisfied with how everything is in XIV and wouldn't change a thing?

Sharing opinions on content and their handling is all we get to to here. Discussing with people with even a remotely open mind can be enlightening to both sides, but with this particular topic the opposition quite often just goes the route of "Go play another game if you don't like it!" which is hardly a proper retort.

[Physic]

So you want two games in one.

...just go play a different game instead of demanding SE make a version of the game especially for you.



I say some of us should head off to the WoW forums and complain that the playable factions are at war in a game with the word "war" in it and that has its roots firmly in faction versus faction play and story.

this isnt about me, i like story in general. i am level 70 as you can see in my avatar, i have been here since 1.0 This is about how other players besides myself experience the game. See, i want whats going to make the game more compelling for more players, not whats in my personal interest. You refuse to aknowledge that many players arent like you, but still enjoy aspects of the game, you refuse to aknowledge that the msq was not designed with new players in mind.

Do you think, if they were designing the same game, with all the story, they would have 100s of quests at one level which give you less experience and progress than the next 100 quests? Do you think that the level 59 dungeon would give more experience than 10 level 60 dungeons? Do you think they would pace the story such that you do 10 minutes of teleporting for every 5 minutes of gameplay?

Many people who started in 2.0 would probably drop out if they started right now. but you dont care, because hey, mmo doesnt need to care about new players.


Also, a Final Fantasy mmo is many games in one.

You got a merchant gold/economy simulator
you got a crafting item creation game
you got a hardcore team play coordination execution game
you got a casual dungeon grinder
you got a social friend group lobby game
you got a rich sidequest world/lore
you got an almost single player rpg

[Penthea]

Now, I would guess that if I went through your post history, I could probably find at least one or two items that you've requested to be added/changed/tweaked in this game, right? Or are you trying to say that you are 100% satisfied with how everything is in XIV and wouldn't change a thing?

You won't find anything in my post history about wanting to change a central element to the game. The thing I request changes to the most is housing, which is actually almost entirely separate from the rest of the game. Furthermore the housing situation is almost universally hated, unlike the msq.

[Skivvy]

You won't find anything in my post history about wanting to change a central element to the game. The thing I request changes to the most is housing, which is actually almost entirely separate from the rest of the game. Furthermore the housing situation is almost universally hated, unlike the msq.

Housing is a big deal to a lot of people. Just because you don't find it that important/vital, doesn't mean others feel the same. Do you see how this works? MSQ is important as well, but it's just one piece of the whole puzzle.

[Penthea]

Housing is a big deal to a lot of people. Just because you don't find it that important/vital, doesn't mean others feel the same.

Please direct me to where I said housing isn't important or vital. You will find I said no such thing. I said it's separate to most of the rest of the game. Housing is actually one of the things I love most about FFXIV. I did not say it didn't matter. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Do you see how this works? MSQ is important as well, but it's just one piece of the puzzle.

Yes I do. Housing is side content. The msq is not.

[SerLuke]

Housing is a big deal to a lot of people. Just because you don't find it that important/vital, doesn't mean others feel the same. Do you see how this works? MSQ is important as well, but it's just one piece of the whole puzzle.

MSQ isn't just one piece of the puzzle, its the table that the puzzle is being put together on.

[ElroyDrundan]

I have a couple of thoughts about this.

First on all the cut scenes. I have never like how many there are. Me waiting for 5 secs, while I wait for a head nod, or for the npcs to walk away. I simply detest most of them.

Keep in mind, for this game to thrive the game has to continually attract new players. Other big games have figured this out. It is unrealistic to expect new players to play by themselves for months while they catch up to friends and the current expansion.

I've never been a fan of the MSQ, well I like the important parts but I could have skipped about 60% of it with no issue. Also I don't remember most of the the ARR story, sure I know the main characters but 80% of it is simply forgettable. I'm not sure what the answer is, but with each expansion this new player barrier becomes greater and greater. I for one want this game to stick around and attracting new players is key.