why i quit before reaching endgame (feedback from a new player)

[Penthea]

Yeah.. Except people DO have alts.

But the point is you don't need to have one to try out new classes or new content. Having an alt is a choice you make. Not something SE forces you to do.

Or as I said Just uncoupling dungeons, trials and raids from the MSQ would go a long way to appease everyone.

You can't please everyone. WoW tried doing this and well look at where it's at now. The best thing you can do is please a majority, and as far as the msq goes that's already done. Most players are at least fine with it, if not happy with it.

This thread was started by someone going through the story for the first time. Once is enough for the issues to appear. Some people just don't enjoy the low level content, or would like to play with friends. The MSQ can make that unnecessarily difficult.

First people wanted jump potions and then msq skip potions. Now a vocal minority want the msq's relevance to the game's progression removed which would dramatically change how the game feels. Another thread is asking for crafter jump potions. What's next? While we're at it lets just remove any form of gating in the game and have everyone start at max lvl.

[Skivvy]

First people wanted jump potions and then msq skip potions. Now a vocal minority want the msq's relevance to the game's progression removed which would dramatically change how the game feels. Another thread is asking for crafter jump potions. What's next? While we're at it lets just remove any form of gating in the game and have everyone start at max lvl.

That's totally what we're asking here for. ::eyeroll::

And to address earlier comments from others, there is absolutely no proof that SE trimmed down their MSQ length simply because people on the forums complained. One thing to note, you're comparing the main story line from a full base game (ARR) to expansion packs. Also, lets not pretend that ARR didn't have a rather large amount of useless running around that served little purpose. I suppose some may consider fetch quests quality stuff, but I'm thinking that's not the common opinion.

[Penthea]

That's totally what we're asking here for. ::eyeroll::

Completely failing to see my point: that when people are given a way to skip one thing they will keep asking for skips to more things. It will never be enough for some people.

And to address earlier comments from others, there is absolutely no proof that SE trimmed down their MSQ length simply because people on the forums complained. One thing to note, you're comparing the main story line from a full base game (ARR) to expansion packs. Also, lets not pretend that ARR didn't have a rather large amount of useless running around that served little purpose.

I completely agree that a lot of ARR needs to be addressed, particularly the lvl 50 quests. But I am completely against making the msq into essentially side content. That's turning FFXIV into another game.

[PyurBlue]

Completely failing to see my point: that when people are given a way to skip one thing they will keep asking for skips to more things. It will never be enough for some people.

I can give you my reasoning for being against skip potions. I believe that things like skip potions are bad for the people that actually care for the game. It's not because it lets players skip ahead but because it gives the devs an incentive to just ask for more money to get around poor game design. You're being asked to pay for the game twice just because the devs added something to the game that isn't enjoyable. There is no way for me to justify paying for such a thing.

SE owns FF14 so they can do what they want with it, but as someone interested in the game I will try to nudge them in what I think is the best direction to go. They don't have to listen to me. I'll only stay around as long as I see a reason to.

[linay]

You're being asked to pay for the game twice just because the devs added something to the game that isn't enjoyable.

No, you're not. This is a subscription-based game, which means you're paying for access time to play. FFXIV doesn't actually have a skip potion; you're actually paying for auto-complete potion that saves you time from having to manually do them. You're not skipping anything other than most side quests and having to actually do the quests later like in WoW, for example, if you actually want those earlier quests done.