"Tanks and Healers do too much Damage..."

[Araxes]

I accepted that as a tank main, you are still just a dps because people demand it. I would love it so much if Tanks could actually stick to their role and just be a heavily armed shieldwall with tons of protective buffs for the group but not much damage. but yeah... i guess that will never happen and so i keep tanking in dps stance, cleaving them Bosses.

[Bright-Flower]

I'd love to see some reason to keep tanks in tank stance while tanking, such as increasing the damage from boss auto attacks to actually be threatening to a tank, but random spikes I don't think are a great idea.

[van_arn]

If nothing else, if a healer can healtank through most normal mode content, then incoming damage needs a boost.

[Shurrikhan]

You obviously, since you just completely ignored the vast majority of the post lol

I think you might be glancing off the intended point here. (Admittedly, both ends seem to get a bit exaggerated here and there to accentuate your differences in principle goals, which might not be helping...)

Let's put it in a sort of spectrum where there are opposite extremes in conflict but there is a best-sum equilibrium between the two:

1. Avoiding the negative feeling of lack of control due to a need for restraint reducing one's ability to use one's own tools because of what might well happen, while providing a positive feeling of rewarded immersion and need for awareness within a given fight.
   
   
2. Avoiding the negative feeling of lack of control out of sheer sameness among one's available choices and tedium in executing upon them, while providing a positive feeling of rewarded foresight and a need for planning within a given fight.

Where, do you imagine, might the best-sum equilibrium be? To what point or in what types does randomness help? After what point or in what types does it start to hurt?

[AxlStream]

If nothing else, if a healer can healtank through most normal mode content, then incoming damage needs a boost.

Incoming damage in regular content does need to be upped. It's not normal to ease through everything then have to go full tryhard on savage.

[Maneesha]

They simply need to design their fights and classes in a different way. Right now tanks are dps with deff cd's, since they play almost the same as dps, but have a "deff cd's" in their rotation instead of "dmg buffs" in their rotation. Healers are spell casters with healing ability's, damn if rdm had one or 2 more healing skills he would replace a regular healer...also healers only rly need to heal only in specific situations "tank buster,aoe dmg", the other time they don't need to heal since there simply is nothing to heal, so they dps. Tanks and healers don't do "too much" dmg, they have a lot of "dps uptime" (off stance for tanks)! (yes this is very simplified)

If the boss mechanics were different, where healers would have to heal much more (dots,more frequent "high" incoming dmg),if tanks had more skills which mitigated incoming dmg on a shorter cd's and required tank stance to use, then tanks wouldn't be in off stance all the time and healers wouldn't have so much dps uptime. But as things stand, its a issue resulting of design choices by the devs.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Stances will be removed with 5.0 anyway. Also from the leaks so far it looks more like they will do even more DPS and not less with the new expansion.

[Maneesha]

Stances will be removed with 5.0 anyway. Also from the leaks so far it looks more like they will do even more DPS and not less with the new expansion.

Your information regarding removing the stances intrigued me so i had to go and search for the leaks.. still, stating those as a fact is a bit early. Cant wait for official info's -.-

[Aramina]

Stances will be removed with 5.0 anyway. Also from the leaks so far it looks more like they will do even more DPS and not less with the new expansion.

None of the leaks are real. That's not to say stances won't be removed, they very well may, but the leaks are pure memes.

[Videra]

We'll know tommorow, but I'll place my money on stances getting Thanos Snapped.