Gender/Racial Locking in 2019

[WhiteArchmage]

Yes, it's 2019 and Male/Female are still genders for most animals on this planet.

Gender isn't the same as sex, though. And the animal kingdom doesn't even share the same values as human society does: Male peacocks are the ones with the long tailfeathers, male birds in general have more colorful plumage than females, some species of fish change sexes when the opposite one is unavailable, male seahorses carry the children and "birth" them, female lions take care of most things within the pride (not to mention the ones with the luxurious manes are the males)...

In humanity: 100 years ago, children of both sexes used to wear dresses until around the age of 10. Pink was a masculine color until 60-70 years ago. Men wore more make up than women less than 200 years ago (and wigs, let's not forget that). The high heel was invented for men (it was meant to secure the foot while horse riding). Long hair has switched between standard, fashionable, and distasteful on men over millennia. And for that matter, women didn't shave their body hair until razor companies shamed them into doing so around the 1940s, and MEN actually did in Ancient Greece and Rome (because it was considered unsightly, both men and women also removed it in Ancient Egypt, it was considered unclean).

So, a lot of the things we consider "male" and "female" are actually recent BS.

[whiskeybravo]

So, a lot of the things we consider "male" and "female" are actually recent BS.

Sure. Whatever makes you happy.

The fact that many people dont see the potential profitability in this is just mind blowing.

If men buy female clothes instead, then they aren't buying male clothes. There's no profitability.

[Gemina]

So, a lot of the things we consider "male" and "female" are actually recent BS.

Actually, what I find more recent and BS is that "gender" is used for whatever the hell people want it to mean. Since there is no getting around the biological science that denotes there are only TWO sexes, gender is used to describe any and all that pseudo exist on the grey.

A lot of the things we consider male and female is not BS. Perhaps it is to extreme left SJWs trying to destroy the boundaries between the two until we are a completely androgynous society who won't be able to defend ourselves when all those safe spaces are invaded. What we know as male and female has been established for centuries. Gender roles were taught and enforced, and done so for a very good reason: It taught boys how to be men, and girls how to be women. As human beings, males and females are equal, but from a biological, mental, and anatomical standpoint, we are different and different in a way where men and women compliment each other.

In relation to the game, I'm not going to go into a resource limitation or anything like that because in all honesty, it doesn't matter. Certain things remain race and gender locked because they are clearly designed for the intended race or gender, and it really just ends there. I really wish the bunny outfit was never released for males despite the constant crying and complaining. It couldn't be more clear the devs didn't want to do it, and now they gave an inch to players who take miles.

[WhiteArchmage]

Actually, what I find more recent and BS is that "gender" is used for whatever the hell people want it to mean. Since there is no getting around the biological science that denotes there are only TWO sexes, gender is used to describe any and all that pseudo exist on the grey.

A lot of the things we consider male and female is not BS. Perhaps it is to extreme left SJWs trying to destroy the boundaries between the two until we are a completely androgynous society who won't be able to defend ourselves when all those safe spaces are invaded. What we know as male and female has been established for centuries. Gender roles were taught and enforced, and done so for a very good reason: It taught boys how to be men, and girls how to be women. As human beings, males and females are equal, but from a biological, mental, and anatomical standpoint, we are different and different in a way where men and women compliment each other.

I mean, that only works in euro-centrist cultures, given how many African cultures were matriarchal until the colonisation, Native American (by which I mean on the whole continent) cultures were also pretty open on the whole sexual and gender identity until christianity was forced on them. I mean, if you want to get into it, women weren't believed to have souls in Ancient Greece, they didn't even have ages or birthdays since it was considered that a woman's life started at marriage (Greek culture may have been very forward in some aspects like sexuality and trans identities, but pretty lacking as to how it treated women). And again, if a woman chooses to NOT shave her body hair now she's called worse things than "SJW", but before the 1940s it wouldn't even have raised an eyebrow. Besides, saying men and women are "mentally" different from one another is... plain wrong, there's no peer reviewed study that proves that beyond going into a "nature vs nurture" debate (are women different than men because they're taught to be?).

I mean, just going by "men and women complement each other" erases homosexuality, which is present in the animal kingdom and is even given a biological reason (it helps keep the population growth under control). Really, the only ones I see calling for a "safe space" are specifically those either mocking the concept or that get "triggered" whenever confronted with anything that isn't completely heteronormative, not the actual people who only want to be treated with base respect.

Also, there are not only two sexes, that's invalidating intersex individuals who are born with both (and yes, before the inevitable "it's an exception, not the rule" then how do you treat them socially? it's not the same as being born deaf or blind, and we still have measures for them).

[Vahlnir]

I mean, that only works in euro-centrist cultures, given how many African cultures were matriarchal until the colonisation, Native American (by which I mean on the whole continent) cultures were also pretty open on the whole sexual and gender identity until christianity was forced on them. I mean, if you want to get into it, women weren't believed to have souls in Ancient Greece, they didn't even have ages or birthdays since it was considered that a woman's life started at marriage (Greek culture may have been very forward in some aspects like sexuality and trans identities, but pretty lacking as to how it treated women). And again, if a woman chooses to NOT shave her body hair now she's called worse things than "SJW", but before the 1940s it wouldn't even have raised an eyebrow. Besides, saying men and women are "mentally" different from one another is... plain wrong, there's no peer reviewed study that proves that beyond going into a "nature vs nurture" debate (are women different than men because they're taught to be?).

I mean, just going by "men and women complement each other" erases homosexuality, which is present in the animal kingdom and is even given a biological reason (it helps keep the population growth under control). Really, the only ones I see calling for a "safe space" are specifically those either mocking the concept or that get "triggered" whenever confronted with anything that isn't completely heteronormative, not the actual people who only want to be treated with base respect.

Also, there are not only two sexes, that's invalidating intersex individuals who are born with both (and yes, before the inevitable "it's an exception, not the rule" then how do you treat them socially? it's not the same as being born deaf or blind, and we still have measures for them).

Someone who actually knows what they're talking about? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? Either way it's good to see that there's people thinking logically out there. It keeps what little faith I have in humanity alive.

[rachcouture]

Yes, it's 2019 and Male/Female are still genders for most animals on this planet.

Sure, but only one species wears clothes, which is what this thread is about.

Actually, what I find more recent and BS is that "gender" is used for whatever the hell people want it to mean. Since there is no getting around the biological science that denotes there are only TWO sexes, gender is used to describe any and all that pseudo exist on the grey.

A lot of the things we consider male and female is not BS. Perhaps it is to extreme left SJWs trying to destroy the boundaries between the two until we are a completely androgynous society who won't be able to defend ourselves when all those safe spaces are invaded. What we know as male and female has been established for centuries. Gender roles were taught and enforced, and done so for a very good reason: It taught boys how to be men, and girls how to be women. As human beings, males and females are equal, but from a biological, mental, and anatomical standpoint, we are different and different in a way where men and women compliment each other.

Well, no. There's numerous chromosome strand variations i.e. Klinefelter's syndrome. It's not as simple as two sexes. Of course, arguing that with someone who resorts to meaningless buzzwords like 'extreme left SJWs' is likely pointless.

To OP: I am totally okay with this. Some of the attire gendering is laughably stereotypical (see: WHM AF pants three times in a row), especially coming from a studio that tends to be more progressive than most. I'm saying this as a total girly girl that loves shorts and skirts and all things femme.

[linay]

Also, there are not only two sexes, that's invalidating intersex individuals who are born with both (and yes, before the inevitable "it's an exception, not the rule" then how do you treat them socially? it's not the same as being born deaf or blind, and we still have measures for them).

You treat them on a case by case basis depending on the actual effect their intersex has on the body.

Well, no. There's numerous chromosome strand variations i.e. Klinefelter's syndrome.

And yet that particular syndrome is acknowledged as occurring on boys and men (males). Chromosomal variation does not necessarily dictate actual physical result, or dictate them to varying degrees. So it is still correct to say humans have two sexes. Any rare variation should be treated on a case by case basis depending on the actual effect of the variation on each individual.

[Eloah]

I personally don't mind gender locked outfits, so long as they exist in equal measure. You can't introduce 3 unique sets for females and only 1 for males. These things need to mimic real life in a way. A good example is the swimwear. I know technically they are the same item and just look different, but that's the issue their appearance, whether the game counts them as 1 item or 2 doesn't matter. But the swimwear mimics what most people know and understand in real life. It's not like females are getting a school swimsuit and males an entire scuba set, lol. Things need to be given in equal measure, that way we don't feel like things are gender locked.

All that aside, no gender locking as a whole should not exist.

[Theodric]

Another one of these threads, eh?

I'm fine with gear being gender locked.

[Kaedan]

Mainly because they would have to edit and redesign all the female outfits to be able to fit male bodies and visa versa (which in many cases are wildly different).