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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    And in my mind that's why Omega and Middy landed on the Source, and not on a Shard (assuming they arrived after the split, but I might be wrong?)
    I was actually wondering about this, in that I was considering the reasons why Midgardsormr and Omega would be on the Source instead of a Shard, and then I realized that I don't actually know whether they arrived after the split, or if they arrived before. Or rather, Midgardsormr is the important one for this discussion, since I can imagine Omega might be a couple of thousand years behind him, and decided to dive through dimensions via Tech Trickery just so it could chase down Midgardsormr.

    And then I was wondering how that squared with Midgardsormr apparently having a covenant with Hydaelyn in specific, rather than Hydaelyn and Zodiark. And now I am imagining Midgardsormr to be the cause of the split, like maybe Zodiark is allergic to space dragons or something and cannot live in the same house anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YianKutku View Post
    I was actually wondering about this, in that I was considering the reasons why Midgardsormr and Omega would be on the Source instead of a Shard, and then I realized that I don't actually know whether they arrived after the split, or if they arrived before. Or rather, Midgardsormr is the important one for this discussion, since I can imagine Omega might be a couple of thousand years behind him, and decided to dive through dimensions via Tech Trickery just so it could chase down Midgardsormr.

    And then I was wondering how that squared with Midgardsormr apparently having a covenant with Hydaelyn in specific, rather than Hydaelyn and Zodiark. And now I am imagining Midgardsormr to be the cause of the split, like maybe Zodiark is allergic to space dragons or something and cannot live in the same house anymore.
    /summon "Anonymoose"

    ENLIGHTEN US PLEASE

    I briefly checked the wikis before posting and they don't have the info.
    My reasoning is the split was 12 000 years ago. The dragon song war is a thousand years old. So Middy's brood was around at that time. We also know the Allagans interacted with Tiamat / Bahamut and Omega, so it's older than their age too.
    Everything about Middy, the Brood and Omega is conveniently after the Split.
    But still, we don't know much about what happened in the early Calamities times either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    Wouldn't that be weird? If Zodiark is in it?
    Doesn't have to be. Even if there are thirteen reflections of the moon, that doesn't mean that there are thirteen reflections of Zodiark. After all, the planet is also reflected thirteen times, and as far as we know Hydaelyn is only found in the Source.

    I think it's pretty likely that area affected by the split includes at the very least the moon, and possibly more (the solar system?). That might seem like a lot of area to cover, but on a galactic scale, it's still a pretty tiny chunk of the cosmos.
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    So I'm not Moose, but I DO have the Encyclopedias!

    In the first one there are two different versions of Midgarsomr's appearance on Hydaelyn. According to the Twelve creation myth when water was created by the gods Midgarsomr rose from that, which would put him in the First Umbral Era after the split. HOWEVER, they also have an account from dragons that he came from "a time before time" when Hydaelyn was still a newborn star. Which for me would put him as having come before Hydaelyn sealed Zodiark as a moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    So I'm not Moose, but I DO have the Encyclopedias!

    In the first one there are two different versions of Midgarsomr's appearance on Hydaelyn. According to the Twelve creation myth when water was created by the gods Midgarsomr rose from that, which would put him in the First Umbral Era after the split. HOWEVER, they also have an account from dragons that he came from "a time before time" when Hydaelyn was still a newborn star. Which for me would put him as having come before Hydaelyn sealed Zodiark as a moon.
    In regards to the bolded part, we still have some issues:

    Is the Sundering the 1st Calamity? This is, hard to completely define at the least. The Sundering occurred 12000 years ago as according to Yoshi-P during JP fanfest. It caused the creation of 13 shards, or mirrored worlds. The Ascians call the 7th Calamity the 7th Rejoining, which we learn means the return of the aether of a Shard to the Source. We are told by the Word of the Mother that the Calamities are ALL Rejoinings (maybe misremembering things here) or more specifically she had failed to stop them "seven times", which would mean that the First Calamity caused a Shard to be rejoined as well. Now if the First Calamity was also the Sundering, then that would mean the a Shard was created and then destroyed almost immediately by the Ascians... which doesn't make sense to be honest.
    It makes more sense if the Sundering and the 1st Calamity were separate events, with the time between being the 'Age of Gods' that we know so little about, and which would be prime time for Midgardsormr to arrive from space with his eggs and forge his pact with Hydaelyn. Also in regards to dragons stating a 'time before time', that could just mean from a time before the 1st brood was hatched.

    Needless to say, more than likely a few of the queries around the Sundering will be answered through Shadowbringers.
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