Bye bye turbo craft bots!

[UmJammerSully]

I could be mistaken, but I thought a community rep actually made a post about it in a thread on the topic and stated that it was in fact a breach of the TOS. Don't look at me for the quote though cause I'm just going on fuzzy memory and I would have no idea. LOL.

If you don't have a link or quote then fair enough, but I still remain doubtful. Not like the TOS is some super elusive document anyway, browsing through it now I have yet to find anything even remotely similar to how I'm playing.

But on a side note isn't this: a paradox of sorts? How can you play if you aren't engaged with it. To me that's not playing. It's just pushing buttons.

Selecting standard synthesis over and over again is engaging somehow? Whether I'm looking at the screen or not makes no difference, it's all "just pushing buttons". Not to mention I know exactly what my button pressing is doing for me, so I'd argue that I am playing anyways. If a blind person kicked my ass at Street Fighter, I wouldn't say "You're not even playing, you're just pushing buttons!", whatever that even means.

What are you getting at anyway? I can't help get this "If you are gonna craft, then you NEED TO CRAFT PROPERLY LIKE ME, DAMN IT!" vibe from these responses.

[Narfalicious]

Yeah this needs some clarification, I farm for a week to get my mats then do 1 mass craft run, I mean does this mean I can craft 40 synths then needs to craft 4-5 on another craft or is it like Mining Botany etc where I need to wait another day to do my gathering again, Devs please comment.

My belief is it stands you up after so many, so you can't just tape the button down and go to bed anymore.

[Vassteel]

after a fairly short google search some bot have a very extensive feature list

take this one for example copypasta'd from their page

Memory Based - No Pixel Setup.
Ability to harvest/gather all types of nodes
Adjust your hotkeys depending on coneection
Set spells where ever you want on your hotbar.
Sse your spells how ever you want to use them.
Run a group of bots fighting and healing together!
Use potions,skills and spells while fleeing.
Ability to rest at a certain HP or MP or both
Ability to rest and wait for your pet to heal.
Use abilities when you get to a certain health.
Use abilities when you get to a certain Mana.
Heal your pet as you fight.
Ability to set close, ranged, or mix combat.
Kill counter
View your stats and mob stats at a glance
Swap weapons during a figh.
Set up heal bots to follow you around and heal.
Detects whether a mob is invulnerable.
Skip mobs that are not attackable.
Video help for setting up the bot and running.
UNDETECTED with anti-detection measures
Stationary or moving patrols/paths
Fight only the mobs you want to fight.
Smooth, Natural looking Navigation.
Does simple and complex Chain Moves.
Ability to use partial or exact mob names to fight.
Bugtracker to submit bugs and add feature request.
Detects is a player is following you around.
Bot detects other players around youand avoids.
You don't need to know how to program.
Choose what percent to heal at for each heal.
Buffs (Combat and Regular)!
Can Use MP and HP Potions!
Loots! And when bag is full, it will not stop the bot.
Bot will avoid Kill-Stealing
After Fight mode to heal up and rebuff as necessary
Pet support! Resummon, heal, and assist
Pptional Bot-Monitor window.
Character Settings are saved in profiles.
Create simple or complex paths.
Several attack modes including.
Variety of after-death options.
Quickly create paths with the Path-Recording.
Use paths with any profile.
Share paths and profiles with friends.
Sshare your Ability/Buff/Heal setup with friends.
Community already with many pre-made paths.
Loop your path as many times as you wish.
Data is updated very quickly after patches
Detects if you are stuck, and will signal an alarm
Detect multiple mobs and react to them accordingly
Avoid mobs and harvest items that are too high.


i really dont think a simple interruption in crafting is going to stop any of the bots
some of them are so complex i even think it would be difficult for a GM to assess.

square has no built in monitor for the .exe to throw up flags when the game memory is gooked or modified


square game security is in fact terribad


theres no cure

[Chinook]

Is it one of those thread where people over-reacted on something they haven't experienced yet, and it ends up it's not so bad after trying it out ?

We shall know the answer soon.

[Jinko]

If SE want to really stop bots they need to have code searching for these things.

SE [Please check it]

[Vassteel]

warden is so crapware. its worse than punkbuster

SE could take some notes on how to police their client from CCP games which does an awesome job at watching their clients and looking for bots

[UmJammerSully]

While I may feel it is silly, it is in the ToS. The specific portion (at least as I read it):

...during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

Alright, thanks for the clarification, that is pretty solid evidence actually.

I'd still argue that what I do shouldn't be against TOS, but the method GM's would use that you've quoted here is probably the easiest way to uncover botters so I wouldn't consider it a good thing if they were to remove this from the ToS.

[Jadi]

They can block it, but it's going to take a watchdog process or something that can intercept bot libraries being called to hook into the game. (Such as pcap loading to read the games network packets) It's not something that SE would want to develop on their own, they would have to buy this from a company that makes such software and include it.. although I'd probably support them doing something like this.

SE generally isn't very good with security if XI is any example.

[Jinko]

warden is so crapware. its worse than punkbuster

SE could take some notes on how to police their client from CCP games which does an awesome job at watching their clients and looking for bots

Better than what we got, which is nothing.

Besides its an example.

If you thinking botting is bad now, just wait til addons.

[Wynn]

Selecting standard synthesis over and over again is engaging somehow? Whether I'm looking at the screen or not makes no difference, it's all "just pushing buttons". Not to mention I know exactly what my button pressing is doing for me, so I'd argue that I am playing anyways. If a blind person kicked my ass at Street Fighter, I wouldn't say "You're not even playing, you're just pushing buttons!", whatever that even means.

What are you getting at anyway? I can't help get this "If you are gonna craft, then you NEED TO CRAFT PROPERLY LIKE ME, DAMN IT!" vibe from these responses.

On the bolded part, definitely nothing of the sort. I just found it to be a curiosity.

But I guess part of the viewpoint in this discussion does have to do largely with a person's crafting style. I mean, even now there is much more that you can do than just push standard the whole way. The problem is, and always has been, that you can get by using the path of least resistance pretty much 100% of the time. So why not just do that?

They designed this great crafting system on paper, thinking it was complex and robust, but they inadvertently overlooked the fact that it was all too easy to spam a single button and skip over everything else they tried to weave in. In the end, nobody but a few us really learned all the nuances of the system since there wasn't any foreseeable benefit to doing so.