Bye bye turbo craft bots!

[Kiote]

Hmmm..

Kiote thinks you people should stop talking about it and go try the new crafting. It's fantastic.

Botting in this system would be a massive waste of money.

[Soulfire]

Hmmm..

Kiote thinks you people should stop talking about it and go try the new crafting. It's fantastic.

Botting in this system would be a massive waste of money.

Holy...! w

Well, I think that pretty much solves the problem!
I just got back over double the normal worth. w
That's what we should've been seeing last time with the bonus adjustments.

(Well, not the boring and tedious part, but the effort:reward ratio is much better.)

[Kiote]

Holy...! w

Well, I think that pretty much solves the problem!
I just got back over double the normal worth. w
That's what we should've been seeing last time with the bonus adjustments.

(Well, not the boring and tedious part, but the effort:reward ratio is much better.)

I wont say its not tedious, but Crafting Feels a lot more engaging to me since paying attention to what you are doing now award triple what blindly hitting standard does.

If you want fun, try making an HQ item at 100%. Maybe I'm weird or something, but I thought it was a lot of fun.

[TheVedis]

@Soulfire

yes, thats a turbo control, but guess what, it doesnt play on its own without "modifying" it

thats right, that peice of tape or rubber band people use, is NOT part of the control


also, a tubro control is a tool, its not a program, but it is a tool


you can try to get around the facts all you want, but if you are afk leveling, using tools that are illegal(note that a turbo control in itself is not illegal, its just the way people were using them that is) then yeah....

[Soulfire]

@Soulfire

yes, thats a turbo control, but guess what, it doesnt play on its own without "modifying" it

thats right, that peice of tape or rubber band people use, is NOT part of the control


also, a tubro control is a tool, its not a program, but it is a tool


you can try to get around the facts all you want, but if you are afk leveling, using tools that are illegal(note that a turbo control in itself is not illegal, its just the way people were using them that is) then yeah....

. . .TheVedis needs to get of there high horse.

. . .

I didn't even know getting a controller with "Auto Fire" was an option, until I came across this on the forms!

One thing I find funny is that the official Black controller ( http://www.japantrendshop.com/elecom...ad-p-1265.html ) has an auto button. I did do some digging and it does make any of the buttons go on auto. So hit it once and it'll spam that button, press it again and it'll stop. So if this isn't allowed Square Enix REALLY needs to get there act together for allowing a company to make an Official controller that breaks the rules.

All day, baby! ♪

Not really.
I have quests to take care of and then a mission to turbo-craft in front of you at your linkshell's hangout spot. w

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

This post is mostly responding to the side-topic of the thread.

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement

2.1 Cheating and Botting.
You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

On Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV you can read the following:

Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.

And a CM response.

...
L'utilisation de claviers possédant des fonctionnalités avancées n'est pas prohibée en soit. En revanche, l'utilisation de ces fonctionnalités afin d'automatiser certaines actions sur Final Fantasy XIV l'est. Être présent devant son ordinateur ne rend pas l'automatisation des actions acceptable. Ainsi, les joueurs ayant recours à un logiciel tiers, une fonction "turbo" d'un contrôleur de jeu, des touches de claviers programmables ou une méthode plus artisanale (telle que coincer une touche) prennent le risque de voir leur compte de service Final Fantasy XIV suspendu ou fermé.

The use of special keyboards containing advanced functions is not prohibited. On the other hand, the use of any of these functions in order to automate certain actions in Final Fantasy XIV is prohibited. To be present in front of one's computer does not make the use of these automated action programs acceptable. So, any player who uses third party programs, a "turbo" controller, programmable keyboard keys or any other method (such as taping down the enter key) is taking the risk of seeing their Final Fantasy XIV account suspended or closed.

...

My interpretation is:
Not illegal persay as a law (jail, fine, court). If discovered, the above "could" be interpreted by SE in a way that does not favor the end-user of these devices. And that there is a risk involved if you use of these features.

Special thanks to Umo for prior compilation and Matsume for the translation.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

The way I see this adjustment, it's not meant as a deterrent against bots like the software bots.

It's a small filter to separate players who may interpret the TOS differently and decide to use auto-fire, held down turbo or Enter key. They get interrupted and have to manually return to crafting position.

If a player decides to go a step further, they would most likely use a software to circumvent this. And when they do, they enter a territory of compromising the TOS that may be easier for the STF to pursue.

[Soulfire]

Oh, good find! That needs to be posted in English, though, and stated very clearly in the rules besides. Otherwise it isn't fair to those who would, like you said, interpret the rules differently.

[TheVedis]

Oh, good find! That needs to be posted in English, though, and stated very clearly in the rules besides. Otherwise it isn't fair to those who would, like you said, interpret the rules differently.

how a player interprets the rule has no bearing on the rule

how the people who enforce them interpret them is all that matters

ignorance is never an excuse

[Soulfire]

how a player interprets the rule has no bearing on the rule

how the people who enforce them interpret them is all that matters

ignorance is never an excuse

It is for the employee who screws up. w
(Just saying in general.)

Laws not understandably given and laws of hypocrisy merit no judgment, so I've been poking at this both ways. http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=23234

But technically SE reserves the right to terminate your account for whatever reason they see fit.

If this is really an issue, though, then upon interrogation and discovery of it, what they should be doing is issuing a "caution." After that they can ban/terminate your account.

Straight-out banning would be both financially irresponsible and bad for their reputation for a situation like this.

Also, on a side note, the parsers that have grown so popular do in fact constitute as tools and flat-out rule-breaking. Perhaps we should make some stupid massive thread about how those players should be banned, too. w