Bye bye turbo craft bots!

[MeowyWowie]

I'm really not surprised with the responses in this thread lol. This isn't a measure against real bots. It's to deter people from afk crafting with turbo controllers or simple enter spam scripts.

Here's an old post of mine that suspected what would happen once they changed synthesis to our current system.

I agree that it would be a lot more convenient to have them streamline normal crafting like they did with local leves, however you have to look at both sides of the story. When they implemented this for local leves they also lowered SP gain per synth. The reason why is obvious, they don't want us to level any faster than we already are. So a 10% cut in time needed per synth will more than likely equate to a 10% loss in SP per synth. You're still making the same amount of SP/hour, but you're using more mats in exchange for a more streamlined system. Personally, I'd prefer to get as much SP as possible per synth as opposed to being able to just spam enter and ONLY enter to burn through all of my mats.

This brings me to my next point. Another way to make it slightly more streamlined, yet still reward the same SP per synth is for them to make "Recipes" instead of "Requested Items" the default selection after each synth. This way you can still just spam enter, never having to look at your screen, and get the same SP per synth as we currently do.

Both of these options introduce a problem which you may have overlooked though. If we're allowed to simply keep spamming enter and ONLY enter then eventually everybody will just buy a cheap turbo controller and tape the confirm button down while they're away/sleeping. (Yea I know, it's no secret that plenty of people are already botting crafts anyways.) But, technically this does not violate the TOS because you wouldn't be using any 3rd party tools. So "everyone" would be cheating even tho according to the TOS they aren't and won't get punished for it.

I guess they can streamline it and default the yes/no to no though, but then we'll still lose SP per synth. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it. Although, yes, your suggestion is a good one and I would be happy if the system wasn't as clunky as it is now. But on the other hand I don't think I would want farm/buy 10% more materials because of it.

Half of that, the part about turbo controller crafting, turned out to be true. Now SE is trying to fix the damage it caused by making this change.

So, would you guys rather..

A. Return to having "Requested Items" as the default option when crafting, like we used to have?

or

B. Keep the current system, which is a bit more streamlined, with the tradeoff of having "cheat check point" at some point during the process?

[alienbaby]

I don't see how this is going to increase shard prices...

Am I missing something?

turbo pads = standard synths
Bots = hasty hands synths, 1/2 the time
3333 lightning shards +600 tiger cod = 10000 shards.
80 hasty hands an hour 7.5 hours later = 1-2 mil in gil

i think they are referring to the interruption not allowing fast shard creation, hence a jump in price

[Gospel]

I'm really not surprised with the responses in this thread lol. This isn't a measure against real bots. It's to deter people from afk crafting with turbo controllers or simple enter spam scripts.

Here's an old post of mine that suspected what would happen once they changed synthesis to our current system.



Half of that, the part about turbo controller crafting, turned out to be true. Now SE is trying to fix the damage it caused by making this change.

So, would you guys rather..

A. Return to having "Requested Items" as the default option when crafting, like we used to have?

or

B. Keep the current system, which is a bit more streamlined, with the tradeoff of having "cheat check point" at some point during the process?

/Circles C. None of the above. Change crafting.

[XStruckX]

(Puts on flame retardant gear) Why not have like in WOW or RIFT... Craft All. Make the challenge in the crafting more about finding the recipes and the mats. Sure you got to the highest craft level in a couple of weeks but you cant make anything good yet since you dont have the mats or recipes? As it is the biggest challenge in crafting in FFXIV is staying awake. Thank God for Netflix....

Id much rather take a rare hide or ore that my linkshell farmed and turn it into something amazing instead of making 300+ cobalt cuirasses. FFXIV was going in the right direction for a little bit as far as crafting was concerned. The world NMs dropped rare materials for rare gear and it kinda made sense. Without the crafters, Dodore Wing is uselsss and without the DOW/DOM the crafters cant get the wings.

Then Darkhold comes out and screws it up hardcore...

Would have preferred to see mobs dropping materials to make some of the darkhold gear.

How cool would it have been to have Ifrit drop his horns that we can craft into any weapon we need/want?

BTW Luminary tools =

Obtaining Luminary tools require no skill whatsoever...just perseverance. Could have made an EPIC quest which requires you to make an obscenely rare item or made from a Luminary Ore obtained at a 1% mining drop from a node, GOD anything besides grinding out another billion freaking walnut masks....

I tell ya people SE making awesome strides in the combat classes and gathering classes are fine since that makes sense. Crafting out 3000 41-50 synths using a crafting mini game which only requires you to hit enter in 2 seconds interval to succeed in? Its almost like they want people to bot... Sure botting is wrong blah blah blah everyone knows that but SE designed a crafting system that specifically caters to botters lol. I dont care how much you love crafting and enjoy that aspect of this game, crafting 3000 walnut masks isnt fun no matter how you slice it...

My 2 cents

[darkstarpoet1]

I've actually seen the far away harvesting before in Horizon. There were some people late night harvesting trees, as was I, but they were able to harvest from like 30 yalms away. It really seemed suspicious, but I chalked it up to server response time or something.

the far away harvest is not a hack. try it yourself because it's easy to do. run to the node, open your menu, click mine/harvest/fish, and start running away. when the server registers you hit the button it stops you and turns you around. it's a good judge of how laggy the server is on your end to get a long distance from the node.

i do it everytime i harvest for a few different reasons. 1. if someone else is gathering in your area you don't cover the node so they can easily see it(i use to hate when you had 1 node and 5 people trying to farm off it because then it was difficult to target). 2. it's just funny to see how far i can get or what strange position i can be standing in once it registers me.

you can use the fountain in front of gogo in ud for one example. try that fountain for fishing and run away. you can get about halfway from the fountain to gogo and be fishing in the middle of the street facing away from the fountain.

like i said you don't have to take my word on it, but just try it and see for yourself. it's not a hack by any extreme just because you are a long way from the node. that person may be hacking, but that is not one of the ways to determine if they are or not because that is easily done by anyone.

[Wynn]

So, would you guys rather..

A. Return to having "Requested Items" as the default option when crafting, like we used to have?

or

B. Keep the current system, which is a bit more streamlined, with the tradeoff of having "cheat check point" at some point during the process?

Personally? I had no problem with the old system and if the new system it is going to cause SE to intrude upon our playtime with captchas and other invasive/annoying measures then to hell with streamlining crafting. So I would say A.

But, realistically, B is here to stay so..... like I said before, as long as it is not too frequent, I'll live. In the end, it isn't going to hurt me as I'm one of the few weirdos who actually enjoys crafting for hours upon hours.

But on the grand scope, will this make any kind of impact where impact is intended? That remains to be seen.

[Wynn]

the far away harvest is not a hack. try it yourself because it's easy to do. run to the node, open your menu, click mine/harvest/fish, and start running away. when the server registers you hit the button it stops you and turns you around. it's a good judge of how laggy the server is on your end to get a long distance from the node.

i do it everytime i harvest for a few different reasons. 1. if someone else is gathering in your area you don't cover the node so they can easily see it(i use to hate when you had 1 node and 5 people trying to farm off it because then it was difficult to target). 2. it's just funny to see how far i can get or what strange position i can be standing in once it registers me.

you can use the fountain in front of gogo in ud for one example. try that fountain for fishing and run away. you can get about halfway from the fountain to gogo and be fishing in the middle of the street facing away from the fountain.

like i said you don't have to take my word on it, but just try it and see for yourself. it's not a hack by any extreme just because you are a long way from the node. that person may be hacking, but that is not one of the ways to determine if they are or not because that is easily done by anyone.

I don't doubt you at all. Like I said, I just assumed it was due to some sort of time delay or something.

[Phobos]

Personally? I had no problem with the old system and if the new system it is going to cause SE to intrude upon our playtime with captchas and other invasive/annoying measures then to hell with streamlining crafting. So I would say A.

But, realistically, B is here to stay so..... like I said before, as long as it is not too frequent, I'll live. In the end, it isn't going to hurt me as I'm one of the few weirdos who actually enjoys crafting for hours upon hours.

But on the grand scope, will this make any kind of impact where impact is intended? That remains to be seen.

If they start doing stuff like that, I don't see anyone leveling up a craft.

To be honest the best/simplest method would be to create a new and engaging mini-game that actually requires user attention, rather than a menu based selection that is almost completely static.

[darkstarpoet1]

I don't doubt you at all. Like I said, I just assumed it was due to some sort of time delay or something.

nah it wasn't about doubt. i was just trying to explain how it's done. it is legit to do. i just hate the they are doing something so they must be cheating that was coming from above you that got my attention. i didn't want someone to get the wrong impression when it is more easier to explain it and let someone try it for themselves and they will see. it will show your screen as moving normal btw, but on another players screen it looks like you are doing some kind of strange glitch slide.

it's just like in ud you had a few places you would stand and it looked like you were flying(stairs off the balcony by adventurers guild).

1 run to node
2 hit harvest
3 run away as fast as you can

i use a controller so i start running away as soon as the harvest icon pops up and click the button while retreating because the analog buttons respond great. you will get a big distance between you and the node.

[TheRac25]

Bit silly tho still, cuse you can get around it.

Move window so you can see your guy, hot key crafting button on ur gamepad (xpadder), then watch a movie or something with ur turbo on and when he goes up from interruption, u just hit ur recraft hotkey, char crafts again.

Wasted + Pointless work SE have done, will just annoy people who dont bot/turbo.

SE will never beat the bots, the problem is overly repetitive and boring content (which is actually lack of content) that people feel the need to bot.