Patch notes are up.

[Delsus]

It means they was gonna give an Sap skill then decided not to, which means they took it away... hmmmm

Nothing mentioning a Sap skill here

MNK Abl. 1 Temporarily increases attack speed.
MNK Abl. 2 O Adds kicks to auto-attacks. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is continually consumed while effect is active.

MNK Abl. 3 Prevents target from executing actions or moving. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Effect fades upon executing an action, or if you or the target sustain damage.

MNK Abl. 4 Converts your attacks into wind attacks and grants a bonus to evasion. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Cannot be used simultaneously with PGL Ability 5 or PGL Ability 6.

　∟MNK WS 1 Twofold melee attack.
Combo: PGL WS 8, Bonus: Chance to render target unable to use weaponskills.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

The list with Sap on was an UNOFFICIAL list, ie not released by SE, you for some reason thought it was all going to happen, because it was online, I only take things from devs or reps as what will happen, not third party websites.

If you wanna prove me wrong link me to the page that says "Hai peeps MNK will get Sap"

[Sav]

Nothing mentioning a Sap skill here

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

The list with Sap on was an UNOFFICIAL list, ie not released by SE, you for some reason thought it was all going to happen, because it was online, I only take things from devs or reps as what will happen, not third party websites.

If you wanna prove me wrong link me to the page that says "Hai peeps MNK will get Sap"

Ability 3 would be Sap, wouldn't it?

[Holy_Dragoon]

I was calling Sav out, but it worked for both of you lol. Probably for many others too actually now that I stop and think.

Yes, "Sap" could have been cut on the editing floor. It might show up, it might never appear at all. You just never know. Having never been actively in the game though, I don't think you can call the skill "removed."

[Delsus]

I was calling Sav out, but it worked for both of you lol. Probably for many others too actually now that I stop and think.

Yes, "Sap" could have been cut on the editing floor. It might show up, it might never appear at all. You just never know. Having never been actively in the game though, I don't think you can call the skill "removed."

I'll still get you tonight Holy...

[northernsky]

I was calling Sav out, but it worked for both of you lol. Probably for many others too actually now that I stop and think.

Yes, "Sap" could have been cut on the editing floor. It might show up, it might never appear at all. You just never know. Having never been actively in the game though, I don't think you can call the skill "removed."

Ohh a semantic war

It still looks realistic that they decided not to include it if you consider that they re-adjusted the potency of the current crowd control actions in the patch.

Probably balance issues associated to that "Sap" ability being too powerful in dungeons or boss fights.

[Holy_Dragoon]

Ohh a semantic war

Well played =) I am humbled.

[Sav]

I was calling Sav out, but it worked for both of you lol. Probably for many others too actually now that I stop and think.

Yes, "Sap" could have been cut on the editing floor. It might show up, it might never appear at all. You just never know. Having never been actively in the game though, I don't think you can call the skill "removed."

Haha, and I, in turn, was calling out Delsus, since he said there had been no suggestion that a Sap action was being considered. I was merely pointing out that the original dev list, in my opinion, did suggest as such.

I can understand the argument regarding the ambiguity of what it means to "sap" something/someone. I was going with what I know from WoW. In that game, sapping is essentially doing what MNK Ability 3 described. I, of course, do not fully expect that, just because that's what Sap is in WoW, that's what it will be in FFXIV.

[ShadowCadja]

Haha, and I, in turn, was calling out Delsus, since he said there had been no suggestion that a Sap action was being considered. I was merely pointing out that the original dev list, in my opinion, did suggest as such.

I can understand the argument regarding the ambiguity of what it means to "sap" something/someone. I was going with what I know from WoW. In that game, sapping is essentially doing what MNK Ability 3 described. I, of course, do not fully expect that, just because that's what Sap is in WoW, that's what it will be in FFXIV.

It was called Sap, that list from FFXIVPro was made from skills that are in the .dats atm, so ya, seems like they removed it before even giving to us. =p

[Holy_Dragoon]

Haha, and I, in turn, was calling out Delsus, since he said there had been no suggestion that a Sap action was being considered. I was merely pointing out that the original dev list, in my opinion, did suggest as such.

I can understand the argument regarding the ambiguity of what it means to "sap" something/someone. I was going with what I know from WoW. In that game, sapping is essentially doing what MNK Ability 3 described. I, of course, do not fully expect that, just because that's what Sap is in WoW, that's what it will be in FFXIV.

In case you are curious, Sap in FF XII is a spell that has constant HP reduction. Like a worse version of Poison (usually), since poison usually works in timed HP drops. It is referred to as Bio in many other FF games.