Why don't astro cards stack?

[Killersai]

And no i don't mean why can't i hold a balance and wait for the next draw and put both on a single target, i mean why don't the cards from multiple astros stack with each other? if one astro aoe casts a balance and another wants to aoe cast another card it'll override the other astro's card off of everybody. seems pretty crappy that we have to be careful to not step on each other's toes like that.

havent gotten the chance to play other healers past 30 so i wouldn't know but would 2 white mages' hots stack with each other? because they should and i hope they do otherwise it would be really dumb to have a system that allows 2 of the same class to be grouped together and have their abilities not fully be able to work together. DPS don't have this problem with their dots for obvious reasons so I hope it's not the case with the rest of the healers.

no i'm not arguing for astro hots to stack with white mage hots either because i understand the design that they're supposed to fulfill a counterpart with the sects. just astro to astro cards and white mage to white mage hots and scholar to scholar shields.

[Veis_Alveare]

And no i don't mean why can't i hold a balance and wait for the next draw and put both on a single target, i mean why don't the cards from multiple astros stack with each other? if one astro aoe casts a balance and another wants to aoe cast another card it'll override the other astro's card off of everybody. seems pretty crappy that we have to be careful to not step on each other's shoes like that.

havent gotten the chance to play other healers past 30 so i wouldn't know but would 2 white mages' hots stack with each other? because they should and i hope they do otherwise it would be really dumb to have a system that allows 2 of the same class to be grouped together and have their abilities not fully be able to work together. DPS don't have this problem with their dots for obvious reasons so I hope it's not the case with the rest of the healers.

no i'm not arguing for astro hots to stack with white mage hots either because i understand the design that they're supposed to fulfill a counterpart with the sects. just astro to astro cards and white mage to white mage hots and scholar to scholar shields.

AST cards don't stack because they would be OP.

AST regens do stack with whm regens just not another ASTs same Regen.

[HyoMinPark]

Because that would be absolutely broken if you could do things like stack two balances on an entire party. Each AOE Balance is +5% straight damage—allowing two of them would be +10% straight damage. This was actually the case briefly during Creator (Patch 3.4) up until Deltascape released (Patch 4.05), and it completely broke the job and killed WHM in the process (and WHM was already dying slowly back then from lack of personal damage and horrible MP management). WHM already struggles to be viable at optimal levels against AST; it really doesn’t need stacking Balances thrown against it—that would kill WHM deader than WHM is currently if ASTs could stack their buffs, and it would probably threaten SCH as well. I could easily see the new healer meta being Diurnal AST/Nocturnal AST.


Tl;dr—balancing is why ASTs cannot stack their cards.

[Killersai]

if they would be OP then they should be rebalanced. this isn't a very good response. it's bad multiplayer design to allow 2 players to override eachothers benefits. that should not happen. everyone should be able to use their full capabilities with each other without worry that they'll screw each other over. and i didn't ask about AST regens and WHM regens. i'm asking if a WHM puts a regen on someone and a second WHM puts the same regen on the same character do they stack? BECAUSE THEY SHOULD

[HyoMinPark]

if they would be OP then they should be rebalanced. this isn't a very good response. it's bad multiplayer design to allow 2 players to override eachothers benefits. that should not happen. everyone should be able to use their full capabilities with each other without worry that they'll screw each other over. and i didn't ask about AST regens and WHM regens. i'm asking if a WHM puts a regen on someone and a second WHM puts the same regen on the same character do they stack? BECAUSE THEY SHOULD

Overwriting cards can be easily avoided if you just communicate with your co-AST. It’s not that difficult to do.

Despite the cards not stacking, back in Creator there were speedkills done with double AST when Balance was +20% for single target and +10% for AOE.

WHM regens stack with one another—you can have double Regens and double Medica II HoTs.

[Killersai]

Because that would be absolutely broken if you could do things like stack two balances on an entire party.

this is a very bad way to rebalance. they should stack differently then or refresh durations or be queue'd so that they're not overriden. if i happen to be playing AST with another AST that doesn't know this, and i AOE balance, and he AOE's something else and removes my balance off everyone, the whole group suffers because of poor design choices that should not be the case. there are different ways to rebalance a class without making half their benefit becoming limited by simply being grouped with a second player of your same class.

[Killersai]

Overwriting cards can be easily avoided if you just communicate with your co-AST. It’s not that difficult to do.

Despite the cards not stacking, back in Creator there were speedkills done with double AST when Balance was +20% for single target and +10% for AOE.

WHM regens stack with one another—you can have double Regens and double Medica II HoTs.

it's not difficult but it will happen with randoms until it is changed no matter what level of communication you preach. it's bad design and they should rebalance them in such a way that you can't screw each other over.

[Veis_Alveare]

it's not difficult but it will happen with randoms until it is changed no matter what level of communication you preach. it's bad design and they should rebalance them in such a way that you can't screw each other over.

In any content like that it literally doesn't matter.

If you're doing savage talk to your cohealer or don't go double ast.

[Killersai]

In any content like that it literally doesn't matter.

If you're doing savage talk to your cohealer or don't go double ast.

i'm not interested in your solutions to problems that don't exist. it isn't a problem in high level content where people are expected to communicate so this is useless to me as the solution is already obvious and apparent. i'm interested in fixing an issue which IS an issue however unimportant you see it.

[Kurando]

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It's not really bad design if you pay attention to what you are doing, and this isn't just an AST but many jobs cannot double stack buffs as they would be OP.