Last patch and no hydatos nerf?

[RyuDragnier]

Pyros and Hydatos are basically the only things left with any sort of relevance outside Ultimate. So it isn't entirely surprising they don't want to make them easier, which may encourage people to unsub until Shadowbringers.

Except the main problem with Hydatos is the abysmal crystal drop rates, which can lead people to just quit it and never return. Anywhere from 5-10 crystals per NM, unless you get the glorious support NM to spawn at which point you get 30 (which is dependent on a BA group being in your instance).

Considering you need 190 to +1 a single armor set, and 350 total for the weapon upgrades this time around, that's far too much time spent for around 30-60 crystals per instance. Meaning at best case, 18 hours of Eureka. Worst case, that's 36 hours, just for one weapon to be done. Now imagine you're doing multiple weapons or you add the armor set into the mix. It's absolutely ridiculous, and definitely needs crystals dropped at double the rate to remedy the situation, because right now it's too much of a hassle and discourages alt weapons, which would KEEP you in the game and in the areas.

[Xtrasweettea]

Except the main problem with Hydatos is the abysmal crystal drop rates, which can lead people to just quit it and never return. Anywhere from 5-10 crystals per NM, unless you get the glorious support NM to spawn at which point you get 30 (which is dependent on a BA group being in your instance).

Considering you need 190 to +1 a single armor set, and 350 total for the weapon upgrades this time around, that's far too much time spent for around 30-60 crystals per instance. Meaning at best case, 18 hours of Eureka. Worst case, that's 36 hours, just for one weapon to be done. Now imagine you're doing multiple weapons or you add the armor set into the mix. It's absolutely ridiculous, and definitely needs crystals dropped at double the rate to remedy the situation, because right now it's too much of a hassle and discourages alt weapons, which would KEEP you in the game and in the areas.

I did two sets of +1 armor and two weapons. I know I didn't hit 18 hours just for one weapon.

Either you are exaggerating to make a point, or you have had many instances where most of the instance population was AFK/Bunny and only a small group was spawning NMs.

The drop amount of crystals isn't bad. What is bad is the instance not participating.

Quickmafs:

Based on your numbers:
Min Avg: 5 Crystals per drop
Max Avg: 10 Crystals per drop
One weapon is 350 crystals
Min Time Frame: 18 hours
Max Time Frame: 36 hours
No Ovni Spawns
No Support Fates happen

350 Crystals/18 hours = 19.4 Crystals an hour
If we do Min Avg: 19.4/5 = ~4 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 19.4/10 = ~2 NMs an hour

350 Crystals/36 hours = 9.72 Crystals an Hour
If we do Min Avg: 9.72/5 = ~ 2 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 9.72/10 = ~1 NM an hour

So, what you are telling us that people are only spawning 1 to 4 NMs an hour? If so, then this isn't a drop amount issue: this is a lack of participation issue.

[TalithaSolarien]

I did two sets of +1 armor and two weapons. I know I didn't hit 18 hours just for one weapon.

Either you are exaggerating to make a point, or you have had many instances where most of the instance population was AFK/Bunny and only a small group was spawning NMs.

The drop amount of crystals isn't bad. What is bad is the instance not participating.

Quickmafs:

Based on your numbers:
Min Avg: 5 Crystals per drop
Max Avg: 10 Crystals per drop
One weapon is 350 crystals
Min Time Frame: 18 hours
Max Time Frame: 36 hours
No Ovni Spawns
No Support Fates happen

350 Crystals/18 hours = 19.4 Crystals an hour
If we do Min Avg: 19.4/5 = ~4 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 19.4/10 = ~2 NMs an hour

350 Crystals/36 hours = 9.72 Crystals an Hour
If we do Min Avg: 9.72/5 = ~ 2 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 9.72/10 = ~1 NM an hour

So, what you are telling us that people are only spawning 1 to 4 NMs an hour? If so, then this isn't a drop amount issue: this is a lack of participation issue.

This might be different on your data center but on Light this is sadly the norm. This is what happens most of the time:

• Ever since the datacenter split we only have one active instance of Hydatos active most of the time
• People spawn the left side mobs, since they are easy and fast to spawn
• When Ovni pops everyone run to him
• If you are lucky people start spawning Daphne (also somewhat easy)
• After that people either try to convince the train to spawn Ceto (means getting murdered by snekeladies for hours) or PW (killing Claws for hours on the off-chance to get scales).

Finding a train that actually tries to spawn the other right side NMs is rare. So unless your'e with the instance from the beginning you are pretty much screwed if you come into a instance done with the left side NMs.

They really need to adjust the drop/spawn rates for NMs here. And I don't understand why they didn't add the scales to the birdwatcher with this patch.