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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    This is assuming it was even being used in that way. I've been raiding for awhile and have only ever heard of people using it to look at logs... after the fact. Generally to see where they can boost numbers if they are having a hard time with enrage.

    I find it hard to believe that this use (if possible) is prevalent.
    How can you find it hard to believe when almost every top raid group that gets the top ten First Clears uses that feature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    How can you find it hard to believe when almost every top raid group that gets the top ten First Clears uses that feature?
    Then why are they not all banned if you know this? They would have OBVIOUSLY left proof around. Which would then mean that the company is selectively enforcing its rules when it feels like it... which is indefensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Then why are they not all banned if you know this? They would have OBVIOUSLY left proof around. Which would then mean that the company is selectively enforcing its rules when it feels like it... which is indefensible.
    They aren't banned because they aren't foolish enough to have the person using it be the one whose screen is being recorded. They have on person using it and calling out the moves over Discord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    They aren't banned because they aren't foolish enough to have the person using it be the one whose screen is being recorded. They have on person using it and calling out the moves over Discord.
    So... you think people can't be doing voice chat call-outs of incoming mechanics without cheating? That doesn't seem much like proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    So... you think people can't be doing voice chat call-outs of incoming mechanics without cheating? That doesn't seem much like proof.
    Huh? What are you on about?

    Okay, let's spell this out for you. 1) The majority of the top World First clear groups all use ACT triggers (telling you about moves before they come). 2) They aren't banned because they aren't stupid. SE has a don't ask, don't tell policy. So as long as those groups don't say anything about it chat or upload a log in chat, and don't have the person using ACT triggers be the one that's recording, then SE is none the wiser.

    If you're wondering how I know they use them, that would be because I've personally seen members of at least two groups use them, and others have talked about it on other social media platforms (that I will not link or disclose for obvious reasons).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Huh? What are you on about?

    Okay, let's spell this out for you. 1) The majority of the top World First clear groups all use ACT triggers (telling you about moves before they come). 2) They aren't banned because they aren't stupid. SE has a don't ask, don't tell policy. So as long as those groups don't say anything about it chat or upload a log in chat, and don't have the person using ACT triggers be the one that's recording, then SE is none the wiser.

    If you're wondering how I know they use them, that would be because I've personally seen members of at least two groups use them, and others have talked about it on other social media platforms (that I will not link or disclose for obvious reasons).
    Does the trigger tell them how to complete the incoming mechanic? Does it execute it for them?

    It sounds to me as though (assuming this actually works) all you get is a reminder that X mechanic is happening. This can already be done by having a raid member speak up and say "Hey everybody Hello World coming up get ready"
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Does the trigger tell them how to complete the incoming mechanic? Does it execute it for them?

    It sounds to me as though (assuming this actually works) all you get is a reminder that X mechanic is happening. This can already be done by having a raid member speak up and say "Hey everybody Hello World coming up get ready"
    Yes, the trigger can be modified to say how to do the mechanic. No, it does not move your character for you.

    And no, it is not the same as someone doing callouts from memory or even a list they have. Because human error is involved with that. They can misremember, forget to callout, have a glitchy mic, etc. The ACT trigger doesn't have those problems. So yes, it gives a clear and present advantage.
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