Going on 2 hours of radio silence after logging in to find my character in GM jail

[Kleeya]

You really think people will stop using parsers if SE give us personnal ones ? More like they will continue to use them anyway to judge the performance of other players in their party XD

[van_arn]

This thread is depressing.

If what OP is saying is true, this ban is way too long for someone who is only using a parser. If they were being abusive towards other players then fair enough, but if this is not the case the ban should at the very least be lighter.

SE really need to do something about this. We need something better than the dummies to gauge performance. Give players a rating, that only they can see, based on their equipped gear at the end of an instance, or have it up as a damage meter throughout the instance. That way players are given an idea as to how well they're playing for the gear they have on, without having it displayed in front of everyone and having potential drama over it.

As long as we have nothing resembling the above players are going to continue to use third party software. It's not going to go away.

Agreed, we need something more useful (and required for entry) than SSS. At bare minimum.

Unfortunately, any information SE doesn't provide players will find out for themselves. As has been the case since the dawn of time.

If it's not a parser, then it's an OCD interpretation of HP bars or heaven knows what else. Not to mention all sorts of things like datamining and such. Never underestimate a playerbase's desire to understand the goings-on, whether they're given a door or not.

[kidalutz]

The rules are indeed the rules. They are not however a divine decree from the heavens. Perhaps the rules should be changed? It seems to myself (along with several others) that this incident was incredibly unfair.

But that just the thing. Life isnt fair look while I feel for the player getting a ban the fact of the matter is THEY CHOSE to use third party software in direct violation of the Terms of Service was the punishment harsh absolutely. However what you as people are saying is that if someone breaks rules knowingly they shouldnt be punished by that logic string nobody should be punished for anything they ever did knowingly.

Can you see the problem with that line of thinking? That said Maybe I'd have gone with time served since they could do nothing anyways for four hours.

[Vahlnir]

But that just the thing. Life isnt fair look while I feel for the player getting a ban the fact of the matter is THEY CHOSE to use third party software in direct violation of the Terms of Service was the punishment harsh absolutely. However what you as people are saying is that if someone breaks rules knowingly they shouldnt be punished by that logic string nobody should be punished for anything they ever did knowingly.

Can you see the problem with that line of thinking? That said Maybe I'd have gone with time served since they could do nothing anyways for four hours.

Oh yeah, they had it coming and should have known the risks. If I were a GM I probably would have let it slide but...rules are rules. And we agree to them when we start up this game and pay a subscription. Just because it's "don't ask don't tell" doesn't mean that every GM believes in that. They were caught and they were punished. Hopefully it was a learning experience for them.

[ForteNightshade]

But that just the thing. Life isnt fair look while I feel for the player getting a ban the fact of the matter is THEY CHOSE to use third party software in direct violation of the Terms of Service was the punishment harsh absolutely. However what you as people are saying is that if someone breaks rules knowingly they shouldnt be punished by that logic string nobody should be punished for anything they ever did knowingly.

Can you see the problem with that line of thinking? That said Maybe I'd have gone with time served since they could do nothing anyways for four hours.

What people are asking for is consistency. Yoshida himself watched the World First progression of both Ultimates where every single group had parsers displayed. So why weren't any of these players issued a ten day ban? Now if the OP harassed someone about their numbers or was an all around jerk, you could justify a lengthily reprimand. But if we take them at their word, they were banned for merely saying they would upload logs when someone else in the group asked. Why is this worth a ten day ban but the Director and Producer of the game itself outright watching raiders parse live isn't?

[Vahlnir]

What people are asking for is consistency. Yoshida himself watched the World First progression of both Ultimates where every single group had parsers displayed. So why weren't any of these players issued a ten day ban? Now if the OP harassed someone about their numbers or was an all around jerk, you could justify a lengthily reprimand. But if we take them at their word, they were banned for merely saying they would upload logs when someone else in the group asked. Why is this worth a ten day ban but the Director and Producer of the game itself outright watching raiders parse live isn't?

Well, what he says and what the company does may be 2 different things regarding this issue. He may not care, but the policies the company put in place prohibits third party software from being used. At the end of the day the terms of service are what matters. Hey may not have a say since he isn't the company.

[Kewitt]

You did something... you know what it is downright... if NOT you have a few choices...
Wait it out.
Quit the game.
Contact a 3rd party to deal with this injustice.

The last one isn't really an option.


Wait are you the reason there is maintenance tomorrow?

[corydor]

i don't see the problem of not letting people see there own numbers in game and make it against the rules to demand them or abuse people because of them problem solved (sigh)

[Vespar]

Bruh. There's an EASY solution to this. a SOLO parser built IN GAME for EVERYONE to use. No one would be in the dark again, everyone would be on an even playing field. And no one would have to know anyone else's damage since everyone would just use that instead of fflogs or w/e. Jesus.

I agree with you, even though I dont much care either way. Ive nothing against parsing assuming that folks keep it out of chat. That said, if you are discovered to have used it well its on you and you broke the ToS so deal with it. Doesnt matter WHEN the offense was. If twitch streamers are actively recording their stream with parsers up thats also on them should SE take action, but likely they dont get action taken against them because they havent "stated in game" that they were using it and none of those twitch streamers have clearly been reported for it and given the GMs the proof.
Its a ridiculous thing all around and wholly unfair, but SE cant monitor every website, but they can monitor their own game. The only real solution is as you say, create an in-game parser and be done with the damn thing. However, It should remain personal to you and only you, and not visible to other players to avoid the inevitable friction having a parser would cause.

[Krojack]

This goes to show that SE should at least add a true combat logging to file so people can upload them to a web site and see their performance. There is ZERO harm in this. It would prevent people like OP from getting reported for doing no harm to the community in any way. In fact I think reporting in this situation causes MORE harm to the community than good. Now OP might be less likely to join learning parties and helping complete strangers. I know I would stop and just stick to my FC and friends.