Going on 2 hours of radio silence after logging in to find my character in GM jail

[alimdia]

the key here would be that logs tracks the names of other players right? If you edit the names i doubt they would care, but if you were uploading it to a public website which saves data on all players, i think they could have a problem with that. Assuming they could prove someone was responsible.

You're missing the point. Anyone uploading anything anywhere is safe because SE can't police what people do in other websites, it doesn't matter who takes an issue to what. If you upload a log they can't do anything because they can't prove you're the one who uploaded it, they can't take down the website because those are just numbers that can't be copyrighted, they can only get you if you admit in-game in your own chat log that you are using 3rd party programs.

GMs can only ban people based one evidence they can actually access within the game, anything that happens outside the game doesn't matter unless you link yourself to that.

So the message is: play it safe, learn what is plausible deniability, don't admit to anything in chat.

[Insertcoins]

There has to be more to this story cause out of all the things that can happen they don't offer up bans like that in game. It isn't the forums where you can be banned for a different opinion so I'm leaning on more details need to be shown before I pick a side. But most of the time people don't offer 100% what happened when they post here so I think it's right that people have questions. As we don't know everything but I believe there was a good reason why OP got a 10 day ban cause again... they just don't throw those out for no reason.

[Gwenorai]

But OP said they were asked to upload the run? So, obviously, while one person was in agreement or more - the others in the training party didn't speak up or say anything and simply reported them when it was discussed. I will never understand this 'shame players' logic. Sure it happens, but how often is someone actually shamed for it? Considering, you know, you'll get banned straight up if you shame someone for their logs or dps without even HAVING involving the whole 'did you upload it.'


Even Yoshida has stated that parses aren't exactly evil. Someone throw that good old link in here where Yoshida talks about parses.

[Halivel]

Someone throw that good old link in here where Yoshida talks about parses.

Found. Starts at about 6:00.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-WXYg-S05U

[Vanitas]

All I can picture is some low tier dps who honestly has no business raiding and is also self aware of their less than stellar "play style" who's either too afraid to say "no don't post it I don't want anyone to know how awful I am" or is that petty and spiteful that a tool exists that can show other players how low performing they actually are, saw an opportunity to to get some sick self righteous kicks to get someone banned for silently offending them. But yeah let's throw the freaking book at OP especially for their literal first offense.

It's not like people have gotten away with worse or anything. People who outright abuse the ToS for sport like FC hopping scavengers or people arrogant enough to outright admit to botting who profit off our backs and the backs of the company WHO STILL PLAY THE GAME BTW! But naw lets ban that gross parser guy who used an evil parser in endgame savage content in this CLEARLY non numbers mmo. At least it's good to know where their priorities really are.

[Skivvy]

I do wonder if 10 days is just sort of their go-to. Has anyone here has a lesser amount? I've only ever had a forum ban, but it was for something incredibly mundane (I had implied that someone's behavior could make them look like a 'bum'*), but it was also a 10 day ban.
*a slightly more colorful word was used here


Anyhoo, the 4 hours unattended was a bit unnecessary. I'd like to think they have a better process in place for that. As far as the ban for a third party program? Hey, it's in the ToS. Just like my choice of words, regardless of context, was against the ToS. If things happened exactly as OP has mentioned, it's probably best they just take this as a stern warning and try to avoid it in the future.

[Vanitas]

Skill of the player he says and how is one expected to have any skill if said skill is never gauged by the game or the player is NEVER given pause to question their own skill and engage them to improve? I know this was an old interview but still his words contradict the entire state of the game especially when the only skill wall in the game is optional.

[hynaku]

What is odds that Yoshida's team uses third party programs when testing out there new content. One here just posted all top raiders use them. I guess they better ban all the top raiding groups then if there using them.

[SayuyuYuyu]

My friend was banned recently and had to go through the same experience of waiting 4-5 hours for someone to come find her, only to be told that she had to file a false harassment report in order to alert the GMs to her being there.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...lbXkAQP6cl9Oo/

As a disclaimer I agree entirely with what has been said in that Google document, and if it were not 3,000 words past the word limit I would have likely just repeated it myself. I watched the event unfold from the beginning via Discord and I was honestly somewhat surprised that SE would treat their customers like this. Breaking TOS or not, a customer is a customer. Really, the issue is that the jail exists as a way for GMs to isolate players who they perceive to have broken the rules and then communicate with them directly, but it doesn't really give the person much of an opportunity to let someone know they're there. Filing a false harassment report is absolutely not the way to do it, especially since it isn't written anywhere that it's the GM's expected mode of communication.

[Veis_Alveare]

My friend was banned recently and had to go through the same experience of waiting 4-5 hours for someone to come find her, only to be told that she had to file a false harassment report in order to alert the GMs to her being there.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...lbXkAQP6cl9Oo/

As a disclaimer I agree entirely with what has been said in that Google document, and if it were not 3,000 words past the word limit I would have likely just repeated it myself. I watched the event unfold from the beginning via Discord and I was honestly somewhat surprised that SE would treat their customers like this. Breaking TOS or not, a customer is a customer. Really, the issue is that the jail exists as a way for GMs to isolate players who they perceive to have broken the rules and then communicate with them directly, but it doesn't really give the person much of an opportunity to let someone know they're there. Filing a false harassment report is absolutely not the way to do it, especially since it isn't written anywhere that it's the GM's expected mode of communication.

This is completely unacceptable and SE should be ashamed of their abysmal customer service. Banning someone over parsing is already stupid but treating them that way makes it that much worse.

That GM should suffer some sort of penalty and they definitely shouldn't be in any kind of customer-facing role, they're inconsiderate and not cut out for this job in the slightest.