WHM Suggestion

[w_celah]

Remove Selene as an option for SCH and give those abilities (specifically Fey Wind & Fey Caress) to WHM with a different name and some improvements if needed.

This would give WHM an AoE Esuna & AoE Haste buff for some group utility, since both are currently underutilized by SCH, and really should have been given to WHM from the start anyway. I’d imagine this would also be simple to implement and balance around.

Based on what I’ve seen, the only time SCHs use Selene (if at all) is for their opener, then they immediately switch back to Eos anyways. So the majority probably won’t notice any difference if they suddenly can’t use Selene. Either way, they aren’t losing much compared to what I think WHM would gain from this.

[Risvertasashi]

Honestly: Whatever changes have been decided on for the healers are already set in stone. There's no changing them at this point, we're just waiting for the announcements in a little less than 2 weeks to find out what they are.

WHM does need utility to be competitive, but suggesting they just move over 2 underutilized abilities from another job... yeah, that's not how you fix white mage.

[w_celah]

What changes are you talking about? All I’ve seen is them talking about healer balance being difficult, which is the same thing they’ve been saying for years. You make it sound like they’ve suddenly solved this problem and are implementing changes tomorrow (or 2 weeks) or something.

[Gemina]

Honestly: Whatever changes have been decided on for the healers are already set in stone. There's no changing them at this point, we're just waiting for the announcements in a little less than 2 weeks to find out what they are.

It's still ok to make suggestions and even speculate. Suggestion threads are a message in a bottle anyway. As long as that is understood and expectations kept as a reasonable level, suggest away.

WHM does need utility to be competitive, but suggesting they just move over 2 underutilized abilities from another job... yeah, that's not how you fix white mage.

Sure it would, or at least make it a hell of a lot better than it is now. The OPs suggestion is exactly what I have been talking about recently here. SCH and AST are saturated with utility. So much so that some of it can be stripped from them and given to WHM without feeling like a nerf anvil comes crashing down on their gameplay. The alternative is to saturate WHM with utility. They would need to be able to increase raid damage, raid speed, raid defense as SCH and AST all have the ability to do so. Now there is no diversity, and if/when a fourth healer is introduced, they would need all of those same capabilities or we're right back where we are at now.

Healers need weaknesses that the strength of another healer compliments. That is balance. If the devs just give WHM all this utility to bring them up to the level of SCH and AST, then we basically just have three healers that essentially play the same. When a job has no weaknesses, it's OP.

Wiloh, I am completely on board with your suggestion. My worry is the devs are still going to fiddle around with heals and potencies, which won't fix anything.

[Veis_Alveare]

Sure it would, or at least make it a hell of a lot better than it is now

Fey Wind is literally a less powerful Arrow (which is inferior to Spear and Balance not to mention Chain Stratagem) so no giving it to WHM wouldn't make things 'a hell of a lot better ' it would still mean WHM has the same core weakness that it has today.

[Gemina]

Fey Wind is literally a less powerful Arrow (which is inferior to Spear and Balance not to mention Chain Stratagem) so no giving it to WHM wouldn't make things 'a hell of a lot better ' it would still mean WHM has the same core weakness that it has today.

Arrow is RNG, and less desirable than Spear and Balance. Plus card effects cannot be stacked. Selene is under utilized and fairy CDs are shared. You give WHM AoE haste and they immediately make all the abilities you just mentioned better when an AST or SCH is paired up with one. So no, you are entirely incorrect. Giving them this utility would IN FACT, make them a hell of a lot better than where they are right now.

[Kuurei]

Besides, we could just as easily BE getting similar abilities already. WHM is one of the target classes for the bigger portion of the reworks/balancing iirc.

[Risvertasashi]

Besides, we could just as easily BE getting similar abilities already. WHM is one of the target classes for the bigger portion of the reworks/balancing iirc.

On the other hand, this is what got us lillies.

[Seraphor]

What changes are you talking about? All I’ve seen is them talking about healer balance being difficult, which is the same thing they’ve been saying for years. You make it sound like they’ve suddenly solved this problem and are implementing changes tomorrow (or 2 weeks) or something.

6 weeks actually, all jobs are getting updates in Shadowbringers, and they specifically mentioned MNK, MCH and WHM as getting some significant updates.

[Seraphor]

On the other hand, this is what got us lillies.

No, lilies were the result of "every job is getting a gauge, what do we give WHM?"