WHM Suggestion

[w_celah]

Remove Selene as an option for SCH and give those abilities (specifically Fey Wind & Fey Caress) to WHM with a different name and some improvements if needed.

This would give WHM an AoE Esuna & AoE Haste buff for some group utility, since both are currently underutilized by SCH, and really should have been given to WHM from the start anyway. I’d imagine this would also be simple to implement and balance around.

Based on what I’ve seen, the only time SCHs use Selene (if at all) is for their opener, then they immediately switch back to Eos anyways. So the majority probably won’t notice any difference if they suddenly can’t use Selene. Either way, they aren’t losing much compared to what I think WHM would gain from this.

[Risvertasashi]

Honestly: Whatever changes have been decided on for the healers are already set in stone. There's no changing them at this point, we're just waiting for the announcements in a little less than 2 weeks to find out what they are.

WHM does need utility to be competitive, but suggesting they just move over 2 underutilized abilities from another job... yeah, that's not how you fix white mage.

[Kuurei]

Besides, we could just as easily BE getting similar abilities already. WHM is one of the target classes for the bigger portion of the reworks/balancing iirc.

[w_celah]

What changes are you talking about? All I’ve seen is them talking about healer balance being difficult, which is the same thing they’ve been saying for years. You make it sound like they’ve suddenly solved this problem and are implementing changes tomorrow (or 2 weeks) or something.

[Risvertasashi]

Besides, we could just as easily BE getting similar abilities already. WHM is one of the target classes for the bigger portion of the reworks/balancing iirc.

On the other hand, this is what got us lillies.

[Seraphor]

What changes are you talking about? All I’ve seen is them talking about healer balance being difficult, which is the same thing they’ve been saying for years. You make it sound like they’ve suddenly solved this problem and are implementing changes tomorrow (or 2 weeks) or something.

6 weeks actually, all jobs are getting updates in Shadowbringers, and they specifically mentioned MNK, MCH and WHM as getting some significant updates.

[Seraphor]

On the other hand, this is what got us lillies.

No, lilies were the result of "every job is getting a gauge, what do we give WHM?"

[Exiled_Tonberry]

No, lilies were the result of "every job is getting a gauge, what do we give WHM?"

This. It's also really saying something that WHM is so lacking in solid identity, the only thing they could think of was CD reduction.
I hope they really took that moment to heart and work on building up WHMs uniqueness.

That being said, not holding my breath. I can't imagine them fixing all of WHMs problems in one go.

[Risvertasashi]

No, lilies were the result of "every job is getting a gauge, what do we give WHM?"

I mean... they were singing the same song about balancing the healers back then as they are now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mansion]

That being said, not holding my breath. I can't imagine them fixing all of WHMs problems in one go.

Same here, but they could fix the overall issue, and let minor problems float for a bit. I don't really care if WHM is given a lot of new tools that have no meaning in its lore as long as it makes it enjoyable to play and useful in a raid context.
I actually don't believe in WHM getting buffs, but a good Lily rework and a clipping solution would make me happier. Not happy, but happier.