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    Well realistically they can't just add everything people ask into the game. And not only because of ressources but because some people's ideas are pretty pointless or would not be great in a mmorpg.

    That being said, when you consider that they once said FFXI was their most profitable game before FFXIV was released. And it was far from being as popular as FFXIV is. Then you can assume that between the base price of the game + the expansions + the monthly subscriptions + cashop MTX + services like world transfer, extra retainers, etc...
    This game must get SE a ton of money.
    I sincerely doubt nearly as much money as it should is invested back into the game. I'm willing to bet more than 50% of the profit goes to other games and executives. Because that's how buisness work, it's not about quality, it's about getting as much money as you can as cheaply as you can. So as long as the game is not in crisis they'll keep things steady and won't strive to make it that much better.

    But to be fair, that's on SE's executives and not on FFXIV dev team. I doubt they have a lot of weight in deciding how much budget and devs they get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigiria View Post
    I sincerely doubt nearly as much money as it should is invested back into the game.
    Whether or not that's the case, it's undeniable that this game gets tons of updates. Huge updates (and maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen any other MMORPG updating as much and as good as this one). So you can tell that it does indeed use a lot of money.

    SE is no indie company, but they aren't magicians either. I wish people could be more appreciative of all the great things we're getting; it feels like SE has spoiled them too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover_Blake View Post
    Whether or not that's the case, it's undeniable that this game gets tons of updates. Huge updates (and maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen any other MMORPG updating as much and as good as this one). So you can tell that it does indeed use a lot of money.

    SE is no indie company, but they aren't magicians either. I wish people could be more appreciative of all the great things we're getting; it feels like SE has spoiled them too much.
    But once again, it's a buisness not a charity. You pay a base game + a monthly subscription + expansions. They've got to put forward your money worth or people would just not stay on the game. It's what happened with the V1.
    People are not so much spoiled as much as they expect the transaction to be worth it. And for the millions the game generate every month, the content they release every 3 month isn't really that grand when most of it mostly follows an unchanging roadmap with reskinned dungeons and very few new mechanics.

    And like I said, that's not on the dev team, I'm sure they do their best with the manpower they've got and I don't want them to work their employees into the ground. But the compagny doesn't seems to invest enough in XIV considering the amount it must keep steadily generating over time.
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    Sure he does. It's called the DELETE button...
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    I just want the devs to finally have some kind of automatic bot detection. Maybe boot the botters out of the game as soon as it gets detected or something.
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    Also, telling people we should be grateful for the devs' hard work and recognize there are limits to what can be done at a given time doesn't make people yes-men or part of a cult. Honestly. Some of us have jobs and/or are creators ourselves. We recognize that managing budgets and time frames for as many staff as SE has is a big responsibility that effects ordinary people. Not every person at SE is a millionaire, and the people who are millionaires probably aren't going to be the ones losing the most sleep and struggling with impossible demands. You can be critical or have requests without being jerks to the people behind this game you enjoy.

    This is a massively detailed game. Devs have literally gone behind Yoshi P's back to try and make sure players would have some headgear items for new races. Saying thank you for that is what normal people do.
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    He managed to make 50% of two different races just disappear so maybe he really does have an infinity gauntlet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sclair0 View Post
    To add to the "They cant just magically add features" discussion. They also, whether 'voluntary' or not, should not be using their free time to implement basic features onto the new races. If such extra work is needed I'd have preferred any new races be saved for 6.0. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing that they went and did it, but they shouldn't have to.
    Just due to the work involved in the patch-by-patch upkeep, even if they had waiting for 6.0 we'd be in the same situation. Basically like he said in his letter, the only way we might get more races in the future is if the technology advances to a point where they can make the gear alterations more easily or they find a simple systematic shortcut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinfeld View Post
    Just due to the work involved in the patch-by-patch upkeep, even if they had waiting for 6.0 we'd be in the same situation. Basically like he said in his letter, the only way we might get more races in the future is if the technology advances to a point where they can make the gear alterations more easily or they find a simple systematic shortcut.
    I'm not so sure your mathematics here is correct. If hrothgar and viera were developed to the state they were now, but were given another expansion development cycle prior to their official launch then they wouldn't have to work on them from scratch, they'd be able to use the beginning of the next expansion development period to finish the features they'd already developed, instead of having to 'voluntarily' put in work in their free time

    If it IS impossible without out of hours work then I don't think adding more races was reasonable, or at least adding two races that BOTH required different unique work done to make gear usable on them wasn't reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sclair0 View Post
    I'm not so sure your mathematics here is correct. If hrothgar and viera were developed to the state they were now, but were given another expansion development cycle prior to their official launch then they wouldn't have to work on them from scratch, they'd be able to use the beginning of the next expansion development period to finish the features they'd already developed, instead of having to 'voluntarily' put in work in their free time
    The problem is not adding Viera and Hrothgar. It's that now that they're here, every future gear will take more time to implement to include their body type, as will every future skill and emote. Which can be an issue if they want to keep the current pace for patches.

    Frankly, since races offer nothing gameplay wise, I don't even understand why they're so adamant on adding new ones. XI lived peacefully with its 5 races from the very beginning.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 05-13-2019 at 11:08 PM.
    Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

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