A plea for further refinement of the Duty Roulette algorithm

[Dzian]

Is this something you've experienced, or more hearsay? I ask because I never see it despite the claim popping up often enough. Almost no one in this game is kick happy, even with new tanks in a party. No one seems to care about people watching cutscenes either. I'm sure that it happens rarely, but it's probably the kind of thing you'll run into maybe once or twice, forget about and move on..

It's fairly common. Its why many of the changes have been made to various things.
like when a boss arena gets sealed off and your outside it because your watching a cs you now get warped in because people generally arent willing to wait for you to watch a cs.

it's also why they made the cutscenes in the msq roulette mandatory and unskippable because skip skip skip them all gotta go fast!!!!

[Makeda]

While I understand the need for keeping ARR dungeons accessible to new players...

As a vet player since beta I have HAD IT with daily ARR dungeons in my leveling roulette, especially when at level 60+.

I would say (written as if I was writing this for 5.x)... First put together the 4 people in the queue that have been there the longest for their respective roles...

Then:

If anyone's under 50, they set what can be run, and it's 80% the highest they can do, 20% pure random.
If everyone is >= level 50: 90% odds of a dungeon over 50
If everyone is >= level 60: 80% odds of a dungeon over 60, 10% for <50, 10% 50-60 dungeon.
If everyone is >= level 70: 70% odds of a dungeon over 70, 20% over 60, 5% for <50, 5% for 50-60 dungeon.
If everyone is 80, it's 100% something from 71 to the last BEFORE expert.

And then... once the level-range is set, pick the dungeon that has the lowest run count among the players.

so if 4 people's combined run totals for Dungeon A is 53 times, B is 372 times, and C is 9 times - we're running C, with a 5% chance it's random between the 3 instead.

[Kewitt]

The job in need, needs to be more live. I've queued at Tank or Healer job in need and didn't get a queue switch to Healer or Tank and got in right away.

[Hash_Browns]

Duty roulette is working fine IMO, the problem is that it's not specific enough.
It would be easier if we had more roulettes (1-49 dungeons, 50 dungeons, HW dungeons 51- 60, SB dungeons 61-70) or they could just put all the HW/SB dungeons in a "Duty Roulette: Leveling Plus" option.

[ALG4]

While I understand the need for keeping ARR dungeons accessible to new players...

As a vet player since beta I have HAD IT with daily ARR dungeons in my leveling roulette, especially when at level 60+. I feel like we can never use our new skills gained because its back to 1, 2, no aoe, Sastasha again. All those beautiful dungeons from Heavensward I literally never see, let alone any from Stormblood.

If this meant I have to wait an extra 15 minutes to get a dungeon closer to my level, I'm ok with that. I want to try out my new skills and rotations when I get them as I level.

Even queuing as a 4 man party, everyone over level 65+, we get put into an ARR dungeon. Why? Copperbell mines, AGAIN, all level 60s.

Level 50/60 roulette needs an exp boost for one. But the same thing applies, if everyone is over level 60, can't it prioritize a 60 dungeon?

Yes, we have to include the new players. But hell, show your vet players some mercy too. 6 years of the same old dungeons is a LOT.

I agree 100%, I like to help newbies but damn it would be nice not to get copper bell mines for the millionth time. This is what makes the roulette's a chore since you always know what you are getting.

[Dzian]

And as more expansions come out, we should see slightly more variety as the % of levelling dungeons being ARR decreases

Not really.

You are correct in that you are statistically more likely to land in sastasha say than abamia but its exponential in the way it works.

If your level 69 and queuing the roulette for example

Sastasha is available to 100% of players queuing in the levelling roulette. Where as castrum abamia is available to maybe 3%

Those 3% then have a 1in 25 chance?(Including 4 man trials that can come in the roulette) of getting castrum abamia. Which is 4% of 3% effectively a 0.12% chance of getting castrum abamia in your levelling roulette.

Going down to doma castle. It's available to maybe 7% of players queuing the roulette. Which then equates to 1 in 24 chance which is almost 4%
So a 0.28% plus 0.12% = effectively a 0.4% chance of getting doma castle.

So a level 69 player has roughly a 0.5% chance of getting one of the top 2 dungeons..

This will change by many things such as are they queuing alone or with friends time of day time of patch. For example when 5.0 lands a huge chunk of players in the levelling roulette will be at the higher end in the rush to the new level cap. So this will greatly boost the likelihood of getting higher dungeons. But once the initial surge has calmed those chances will once again decline.