Jobs and Class, I am nervous now.

[Jinrya-Geki]

That movement while casting video has made me very extremely nervous on how jobs are supposed to improve party play, or anything else at that matter. After watching it and noticing a few things it makes me wonder... how?

The job we see attacking the kobolds is a black mage. If you look at the level bar in the video it's a purple comet (color blind it may be blue). If you were a thaumaturge it would be the flaming torch symbol.

The second thing I noticed is he used spells after showing that they can be canceled while moving. The damage he displayed as a black mage... is what bothers me the most... it was the same damage amount I can do to them now. The other thing was the mp cost of the spells, if you look hard enough it's still exactly the same amount. How does Black Mage improve from Thaumaturge?

Ancient magic spells, 15 minute recasts. Freeze seems to be the only good one. If Convert generates tons of hate it's better to use freeze, than burst. Burst you might end up kill yourself. Flare... fire aoe with a DoT effect. Great job, make sleepga useless, and wipe your whole party. Can't tell you how many times I have heard/seen a dynamis wipe when someone used poisonga II.

Jobs are supposed to bring roles, White Mage is the healer, and Black Mage the elemental damage dealer. If jobs don't add to damage, or cut mp cost to certain spells. Situationly, White Mage can out damage a black mage, and I am sorry, gonna make alot of people made with this, this should ONLY happen at one time, and only one time. When you fight the Undead. The fact that Cjn can out damage Thm in places like Zahar'ak, I can live with that I guess, because we aren't in roles yet. Though when we are Black mage/ White mage roles, my damage should almost always, 99.9% of the time outdamage white mage.

We have two options from Reinhart's thread that we either only get to cross -class either 5 abilities, or can only cross-class abilities from the classes that the job requires. Pugilist for Black Mage is a seriously dumb decision. Some people in another thread said Blind side can be useful for black mage. It isn't, it clearly states it doesn't work with spells. If we can only cross class for the two classes, second wind is useless. Go ahead and smack Ifrit or moogles and see how fast you lose more hp trying to heal yourself without invigorate.

If you can choose 5 abilities from any class, that would be slightly better but not much. As Blm I guess I would have Invigorate, Second Wind, Sentinel, Chameleon, raise. Look what I don't have now, cure or stoneskin. So I have to make even more sure in fights like Ifrit I don't get caught in an eruption. Cause I can't cure myself constantly. Even after Hellfire I will have low Hp since I didn't have Stoneskin, Sanguine Rites, with Sentinel.

So how do jobs help with their roles when they gimp your abilities, give no damage increase, no mp cut to certain spells.

I am just really also bothered by how no one else seems to care/notice. Everyone was upset with how much spells cost when the patch 1.20 came out. And We see there has been nothing done about it in that video with the black mage. With only 4 days left before the patch, how can it be drastically changed to prove me wrong? Why be a job, when a class can do it the same, and have more freedom with cross class?

[SirOleas]

Meh.
Try it first...then come back if any/all of these things are actually a problem.
Submitting feedback before being able to try something is only a blind guess. It was a development video after all...maybe(I stress maybe) it's not how the final product will work.

[Brannigan]

If you can choose 5 abilities from any class, that would be slightly better but not much. As Blm I guess I would have Invigorate, Second Wind, Sentinel, Chameleon, raise. Look what I don't have now, cure or stoneskin. So I have to make even more sure in fights like Ifrit I don't get caught in an eruption. Cause I can't cure myself constantly. Even after Hellfire I will have low Hp since I didn't have Stoneskin, Sanguine Rites, with Sentinel.

Quelling Strike would be a better option than Invigorate since your only TP drain is Second Wind. Quelling Strike generates TP and lowers hate from a spell, so there's that. Since Jobs are supposed to be for party play then you can probably count on your White Mage to Cure and Stoneskin or Regen you. Alternatively, a Paladin might activate his heal-spreading ability to heal the party after a Hellfire-like move. As a Black Mage you still have Necrogenesis and Sanguine Rite for sustainability and defense.

Ancient magic spells, 15 minute recasts. Freeze seems to be the only good one. If Convert generates tons of hate it's better to use freeze, than burst. Burst you might end up kill yourself. Flare... fire aoe with a DoT effect. Great job, make sleepga useless, and wipe your whole party. Can't tell you how many times I have heard/seen a dynamis wipe when someone used poisonga II.

There's no evidence yet that Convert generates any hate - and based on how much hate buffing abilities generate now I'd say this is an unfounded fear. Burst will be useful to... burst... enemies down when you need a lot of damage RIGHT NOW (such as after Hellfire). Flare's a spell you might actually have to use your brain with - it's AOE, supposedly high damage, and leaves a dot. This means you have to be certain you won't pull hate (or prepared to defend against monsters) AND know that you don't need to crowd control these monsters.

I am just really also bothered by how no one else seems to care/notice. Everyone was upset with how much spells cost when the patch 1.20 came out. And We see there has been nothing done about it in that video with the black mage.

People were upset with the cost of thm combos until they realized that thaumaturges completely wreck everything regardless of MP limitations.

[NoctisUmbra]

Where do people get this idea that Convert will generate massive enmity?

Apparently it didn't in XI. Even if it had, it's a different game. So why is it expected to in XIV?

Also, he didn't have very low HP when he used Burst - which also by the way has a very low MP cost.

On top of that, we haven't seen Flare or Freeze info.

One thing I noticed was how Sleep didn't go into cooldown, even tho he used it essentially back to back. Anyone else notice that?

[Kikosho]

Where do people get this idea that Convert will generate massive enmity?

Apparently it didn't in XI. Even if it had, it's a different game. So why is it expected to in XIV?

Also, he didn't have very low HP when he used Burst - which also by the way has a very low MP cost.

On top of that, we haven't seen Flare or Freeze info.

One thing I noticed was how Sleep didn't go into cooldown, even tho he used it essentially back to back. Anyone else notice that?

Either it had no cooldown for testing purposes or even SE's action bar is bugged like ours. The casting bar was glitched in the video as well.

[Starlord]

How about.. we wait till we play the patch.. before discussing something we haven't even touched yet? :/

[Jinrya-Geki]

Quelling Strike I agree with, but if you can only choose from the two classes you are required to have, what good is it?

Sleep, yeah he used back to back, but as Black Mage he would have had to sleeps available to use.

And let's say the video is the final product, what then? Cause I don't know what I am gonna do if it is. I hope it is just a test video.

You can see and match what flare/freeze will do in the Jobs/Classes Action list reform.

[Yves]

How about.. we wait till we play the patch.. before discussing something we haven't even touched yet? :/

Dood, I couldn't agree more. We will see what happens and how it all goes. As it stands now, I don't move while casting unless I'm PL'ing and even then I could just run, cure-claim, drop, then nuke.

[NoctisUmbra]

Either it had no cooldown for testing purposes or even SE's action bar is bugged like ours. The casting bar was glitched in the video as well.

The cooldowns for everything else worked, the numbers were accurate.

[Jinrya-Geki]

How about.. we wait till we play the patch.. before discussing something we haven't even touched yet? :/

I will seriously shut up about it, and ask for your forgiveness if I am wrong about it. But how radically different can the video be in 4 days from the patch?

If I get proven wrong, and the mp cost is lowered, damage is vastly improved from Black Mage I will be ok with that. The video however doesn't show it.